If battlegrounds had raiting, you would be stuck in the 1000 elo.
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I very well know (hence why i was talking about the complete removal of both), and I also know that itâs not as easily exploited like the one in the Ally base. Plus the Horde base backdoor doesnât allow to completely skip an elite guardian. There are also 2 ways to backdoor the Alliance base.
Yet I donât expect spoiled special snowflakes to understand the difference.
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Yes , the difference is alliance backdoor to thier gy doesnt have an elite guardian at that flag. Any hybrid spec can easily cap
The horde gy has an elite guardian at thier flag , youd have to be a mage to sheep the elite and cap
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AV is not a symetrical eSport map. Alliance can also use two backdoors. One to land on too of flag and one to circumvent the building inside the base.
The AV map favour alliance so much that people dont even know that both bases had backdoors in every version on AV in Vanilla.
There are differences because its not a symetrical eSport map.
What favours what and where is irrelevant. The only relevent thing is whether or not its authentic.
The backdoorS, with an S, was part of every patch and version on AV.
With that said, I would not complain if they close all backdoors and trick jumps in all bgs. I would tolerate that because technically its against the rules, even if its a huge gray area.
Explain to me how Alliance having less respawn per time, not being able to ignore towers, more difficult to execute backdoors that donât allow you to ignore elite guards and longer way to central objectives is an advantage?
Alterac is Alliance favored the same way Vietnam was American favored.
i dont know u cant blame the map ⌠cause Alliance when they where premading they won alot of av at the release of av
Why did Alliance win the majority of AV in Vanilla and also on private servers like Nostalrius?
I tried few times Horde base âbackdoorâ.
Once for 15 minutes or so. I am not that great with jumping I admit, cant even beat Supe Mario without cheats. But somehow I made second jump. And then felt all the way down on 3rd.
And other time I remember I did 3rd jump but took me so long, before I could climb up near elite, my team killed Drekh.
Why havenât you answered at my arguments instead of popping out a statistic that could very well be made up?
Anyway I will answer to that, I have 2 reasons for that to be a possibility.
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Based on my experience, the Horde on my realm (Silvermoon EU, didnât have a lot of Horde but had a high tier PvP guild) never or barely used the backdoor exploit, neither did the Alliance. My guess is that the backdoor and solo pull stuff werenât that much known and abused at that time, we (as the majority of the players) were all struggling in MC too, something that got cleared in 1 week in Classic.
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Most of Vanilla had been played on a incarnation of AV that didnât favor backdoors because you had to take each and every tower before even considering an assault to the main base. This means that the backdoor was actually less effective.
I donât even understand why people bring up the backdoor all the time.
I have never won a single AV due to that. It may have shortened some games a little where half the alliance team was afk and the other half defended but I bet Alliance was most happy about that.
The backdoor doesnât even do much i nerfed AV. Itâs a big deal in the old versions, no question about that, but then Alliance also have a much bigger advtange over at the Horde base.
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Still evading the facts I see.
Lack of counter arguments means you donât have anything to defend your position. Typical spoiled brat.
its still possible that u play exactly as the premades did at release. it will take some time and drama in av chatt a couple of games but slowly they will learn. when Alliance still could premade horde gave up, i was shouting and screaming telling horde we can win even if they premade but only clowns responded and just trolled. now a couple of months later i see horde adjusted 
Because of the map design by nature horde has the advantage in that BG and the only efficient way to win that BG is when your whole ( pug ) puts a 100% effort to win it , but it can never be 100% because its normally 10 more or less botters in that game. Not to mention , some join that BG for questing ⌠And the only way to avoid that is making a group for yourself to avoid these bots , or avoid the players that play AV for different purpose.
Thats the difference between premade before and pugs now.
Why is is that almost everyone who ask for changes resort to personal attacks? You are calling a almost 40y old man with more hair on his back than on his head a spoiled brat. Thatâs pretty silly.
I honestly donât know what your argument is. I read things like you want it to be more fair? Is that it?
But ok present your argument as a whole to me now. You have my fullest attention.
No wait, I found it, your argument.
Ok I can answer that very easy.
The backdoors was part of every version and patch in Vanilla retail. It has never been confirmed to be a bug and not intended. Even if it was, it was part of all versions of Vanilla and is a core feature of the authentic Vanilla experience.
Classic is a recreation of that. What is fair is irrelevant.
The fact that both bases have a backdoor means itâs not an unfair advantage so itâs not against the modern EULA either.
When I first engaged you in a discussion, my goal was for you to start thinking about why Alliance won more in Vanilla AND on Nostalrius and many other modern private servers. My point was that the backdoors are irrelevant. But even if they werenât, it would still be irrelevant because Classic is a recreation of the game how it was.
Personally I say, close it, it would be fun to see what people would start blaming after itâs closed because it would have zero effect on the win ratio for horde.
5-man groups in AV never existed in Vanilla and for me its a core element of Horde dominance in AV.
Cross realm queues didnât exist in Vanilla BGâs either.
AV premades existed in Vanilla and now Horde calls it exploit, but nobody was baned for it, and it may return if less Alliance wants to play AV.
So there are changes to what it was in Vanilla, we canât just choose the changes we like and say the changes others like werenât in Vanilla.
If you ask me, i would say no changes allways, even when Horde cries, and maybe seek a way to balance realms, maybe locking Horde new toons in some servers.
But life isnât perfect and neither is wow classic.
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I agree, but that has not effect on the backdoor. Itâs unrelated to the topic.
I agree, but that has not effect on the backdoor. Itâs unrelated to the topic.
In Vanilla retail there never was a time when only one faction could circumvent the queue system and form premades that dodges queues that left alliance puggers alone. Itâs a new exploit RESULT that had to be hotfixed 3 times.
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That has not effect on the backdoor. Itâs unrelated to the topic.
Yes I understand you argument. Your argument is that there have been some unrelated changes in Classic and you are using those unrelated changes as an argument to add more changes. This is why I argue against changes.
If you are talking about the AV queue change, that was as a hotfix to help Alliance puggers when Alliance premades circumvented and exploited the queue and dodged queues in a gamebreaking way for alliance puggers that would suffer for it. Thatâs why it was hotfixed 3 times.
Classic is a recreation of Vanilla patch 1.12.1 with progressive content on a modern client. Thatâs all.
Dodging queues was also in play by Horde in WSG and in AV it was fixed with less than 3 hotfixes.
Horde could do it too, nobody is to blame for in Alliance that a vast majority wanted to play Horde and created such a wait list to enter AV.
So the last hotfix was only to help Horde, because the problem of Alliance puggers was fixed before.
What can be done if there are so little games going at the same time in AV, that if a large number of Alliance players join at the same time, most of them stay together and can crush Horde tactics?
I know iâm not talking of backdoorâs but things are spinning of since AV was changed and in my opinion the changes were all to benefit Horde, including 5-man groups that nobody called for and now have a huge impact in Horde dominance.
I think that there is a major problem when any faction rankers use AV has meta to get their objectives, because AV should be only for puggers.
Now Alliance puggers donât have any BG where they can go and play with other puggers from oposing faction.
They face premades in WSG, premades in AB and are farmed in AV with premade tactics too.
hmm âŚ.i Think if Alliance manage to get ice blood gy early they have big chance of winning⌠u just have to be smart how u move and get it. i seen alot of flaws on the midd rush at the start of the game which the good premades didnt have
Petty jabs contribute nothing to the conversation. If thatâs what you want fine be the forum clown.