When AV released, alliance dominated AV with 5-8 mins win. It’s still the same map. Stop whining and fight to win.
They were winning because there were premade groups. 40 people coordinated via voice chat > 40 ppl with no communication, even if the map is against.
haha i laugh hard when i remember the threads on this forum
“JOin x team discord for av premade Alliance good win rate”
“so much fun i found many friends and we find creative solutions to win”
“at first i couldnt win av but now when im in my premade Group i win almost every game”
"i joind a av premade Group discord now i hve friends to play with "
KEKBURR GET FARMED
There was no “new way of circumventing the system”. Premading worked the exact same way. You’d queue at the same time, check your BG number then accept or drop the queue depending on if there were enough people that made it in. The change preventing BGs starting with too few players literally had no impact on the way premading in AV worked. What was this “new” exploit you keep referring to? Also you keep claiming people were breaking the EULA yet somehow rank 14 people from AV ranking days haven’t been sanctioned and I haven’t heard of anyone getting any sort of punishment for premading. There were no warnings given out, no bans, nothing. If there were I’m sure that you’ll easily be able to find proof of it.
Again: you can keep calling it a hotfix but it’s very clearly a change in the way queues work that was never part of any version of Vanilla. This is a fact. You can say the queues are now working as indented but they’re working as intended for Classic not as they did in Vanilla. So is the fact that there was nothing about premades that was Alliance exclusive except for the extra difficulty Horde had in forming premades due to other differences from Vanilla.
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So you agree that is the Horde in advantage in AV and not the Alliance, glad we figured that out.
Ok, let’s see if we can get this thread back on track,.
Let me present my main argument and inform you about what Classic is.
My main argument is that we should never add changes because any unrelated change will be used as an argument to add more changes.
Classic is a recreation of the 2006 gameplay systems. We should not make any changes to solve problems from 12y ago or make balance changes.
If you know of any change, you should make a thread and lobby to have those changes reverted. Don’t use unrelated changes as an argument to add more changes.
On the specific details you nitpick where you point out Horde advantages, yes, on those specific nitpicked details where horde have an advantage, Horde does indeed have an advantage.
Happy now?
Since you didn’t bring anything to show where Alliance has the advantage then AV is entirely in Horde advantage.
Right. So why are you saying this other change is acceptable even though it is very clearly antithetical to the “Classic is a recreation of the 2006 gameplay systems” and was done to solve problems that were a result of not faithfully recreating this system in the first place?
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Ok let’s entertain the idea that this is actually true.
Please answer this simple question:
So what?
First, this is the truth since apparently not even you can find anything against it.
So what? You were the first stating that AV is Alliance favored, I just debunked it.
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I agree with all or almost all you other observations. But this one is crucial. Why you lose one of these or both of these GYs? Maybe, and I strongly believe that, this is the main reason for Horde domination in AV. Horde wins fights.
I also agree with a guy stated that it’s a vicious cycle. But what he can’t explain is , why Alliance were losing AVs from the start of pug vs pug only patch. The cycle implies that something have been going on for a while and that affected Alliance attitude negatively.
Alliance always split and they shouldn’t do that. Because in order to be effective, dividing your team must be done in an organized way. And that’s rarely happens in pugs. A dedicated 25+ team should push IB gy. With some healers and good DPSers, cave spawns can’t retake IB.
Also Alliance should be more bold. That means going for Tower Point and FWgl gy faster, when Horde defenders are few in numbers.
PS: I still see Alliance riding while being attacked or not dismounting to help your teammates. That’s inexcusable after months of knowing that this leads to a certain defeat.
I will try again.
You are saying that Horde have different kind of advatnages.
My question to you, again:
So what?
My personal opinion, based on playing emulated Vanilla since 2015, on both factions, in many different versions, is that AV is alliance favoured, as a whole.
Yet you agree when Blizzard decided to change the queue system to not show the BG number, when in 2006 the number was there.
And your only reason to agree for this change is a made-up excuse called “poor puggers”, when the reality is they changed it so that people could not form premades larger than 5 people (which I think it was possible back in 2006. Can anyone confirm?).
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Read the second paragraph maybe?
No I don’t? Why do you claim that?
I don’t agree with that change. Why do you claim that?
Ok, I never asked for that and don’t agree with that change.
My personal opinion, based on playing emulated Vanilla since 2015, on both factions, in many different versions, is that AV is alliance favoured, as a whole.
The fact that you can nitpick specific details where AV favours horde doesn’t change the big picture.
Have you even played AV as Horde in Classic and have seen the bigger picture?
What you call nitpicks are objective advantages while your only argument is your own experience that can be rather an index of the factions’ skill level, not the advantage of a map towards one of them.
Answer me right now.
Have you played Classic AV as horde?
What does that matter?
Experience in terms of loss/win ratio is an index of skill, not map advantage, if the Horde keeps losing the majority of AVs given the objective advantages doesn’t mean that AV is the Alliance favored, it means that the Horde overall skill level is far inferior.
Edit: anyway, I’ve played alliance in WoW except some private servers.