Yes, in Vanilla retail both factions could form raid premades in AV.
i Think horde has players that are more skilled on the game. When we see our faction members get ganked or attacked we jump in and help, while the typical Alliance runs away and say ânaa ty i just wanna questâ
Not on the server I was on, we even got paid to open AV Bgs for Alliance ⌠good times with server bgs only 
Vanilla retail?
Neither was that the case in Classic. Horde could do the same. There was no mechanic or feature of the game that only one faction could make use of.
Right. It wasnât a hotfix of some feature that worked slightly odd sometimes but rather a change to the system because people didnât like what the original Vanilla queue system allowed.
No it wasnât new or unique to Classic as Iâve said many times. In Vanilla you could do the exact same thing and it was also more difficult to do on the faction with more players. It was literally the exact same thing as in Vanilla. I donât see why this âresult was newâ argument would hold any water when you can easily say for example that the result of AB and WSG premades is now ânew and uniqueâ to Classic and therefore we need to change the way queues work for those BGs. And it was only gamebreaking in your opinion. Lots of things could be considered gamebreaking in Classic yet most of them are just part of the game because they were part of Vanilla.
You keep repeating this ânew and unique to Classicâ phrase but premading in AV just wasnât a new thing in Classic nor was it unique to Classic nor was it restricted to only one faction.
Itâs hard to understand why you try so hard to label this obvious change as a âhotfixâ. I suppose itâs because then your whole argument of changes being unnecessary and undesirable falls apart.
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I am exalted with both my characters for months now.
We never managed to retake IB gy as few as 10 players. Usually our teammates come from SH gy to help (because I/we spamm that IB gy is crucial). Otherwise, 10 players canât retake IB if 20-25 Allies are defending. We canât even kill 1 opponent. And all the games I lost were lost that way. A strong Alliance team at south, and rest if Allies defending north.
Itâs only one Abomination if I remember correctly. And Alliance always kite him to the flag and easily kill him.
Itâs a fact, that Alliance under any circumstances, are unwilling to fight for long. You can clearly see that in all threads (complaining about defending towers and LTs) about AV. And you can feel it in game. If IB is not captured (thats 1-2 fights), they disappear.
Turret archers. They deal a ton of damage unless youâre plate.
You not seeing the post =/= not having asked for that.
Also, itâs obvious they wonât revert it since half the population (horde) would be against + it goes against the idea of AV = pugs vs pugs.
Reverting changes isnât the same as âpushing for other changesâ to me. Else, I donât know what other changes youâre talking about.
yet, you were probably ok with blizzard removing the instant queue right? the ONLY advantage we had in being the underpopulated faction⌠a hypocrite is what you are
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Is so lovely to see horde players pretending to be smarter, just lovely.
Thing is same people play horde and alliance alike. You donât have a higher IQ if you are horde, nor skill or anything else. Is not like if now I play alliance Iâll gain 50 IQ point for switching to horde. Hope this makes 1 point so far, feel free to troll on it (just to demonstrate you are indeed smarter)
The alliance attitude on giving up a lost battle is perfectly natural and even logic. There is a honor race for ranks in the alliance also, not only on horde. So who would like to make huge efforts in AV just to get no extra honor points, lose 1 more hour, with a 10% statistical win chance when you can actually farm honor in any other balanced BG ? A revise on this BG to make it fair for both factions would further mean advantages for both factions also, alliance having a fair chance to win, horde having a shorter queue. If you canât see it like this as a horde player, feel free to take your awesome guild, make a mirror copy of it on alliance side and prove us wrong (we all know you will not do it because that would mean you automatically lose 50 IQ).
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Yes you are right but the fact that there is no real difference between the players of both factions show you how quickly a defeatist attitude can develop.
I can remember that during most of my retail playtime AV and IoC were blacklisted because of a percived Alliance advantage on those bgs as Horde seldom won any games there. So only new players or the ones not âin the knowâ go in to be destroyed. And the cycle goes on.
Like I said, the game design kind of forces you to do that if you want to go for reputation and honor. It is a race between players, those who aim high ranks can not invest in AV on alliance side, thatâs a fact.
So you remain with new players, many below 60, without epic mounts, etc. Even with similar power levels and dmg/heal, alliance has to pass between pairs of towers, unlike horde, once when you pass the middle of the map and second when you enter horde final camp. Horde doesnât have anything similar, even in alliance camp you can backdoor it and get only 1 tower on you.
As horde is very good I presume if you get in it because you win fast and is the BG with highest win rate for you, but the queue time is terrible.
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I donât know what instant queue removal you are talking about? Queue time is based on how big proportion queue on each faction or what do you mean?
Oh also, itâs really silly to talk to me about âunderpupulated factionâ hypocrisy. Iâm a Shaman, faction is not a choice for me and Iâm playing on Earthshaker where Alliance outnumber Horde 60/40 AND I also play Alliance on another realm.
People will almost always use one of three methods while demanding changes. They either use a Straw Man argument or unrelated changes as an argument to add more change or personal attacks.
You managed to use all three.
ROFL, as if they only step in and fix things when âHordeâ whines.
Remind me again which faction was crying their eyes on the forums about being camped literally everywhere 24/7 in phase 2 so much so that Blizzard pushed the entire schedule for BGâs forward?
Which faction was it?
It wasnât Horde.
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by eu timeline, bgs were actualy releaced later than they were in vanilla.
Sure they were released later than Blizzard first announced theyâd come too right?
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If ur going to be nitpicky, the date blizzard intended to releace bgs in classic was already a change for euro version relative to when the game came out. So them changing it again, from an euro pov, makes it a more blizzlike timeline
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As soon as the Horde lost one AV the they started to cry to Blizzard. Blizzard adjusted AV but they did not fix the back door exploit that the Horde uses non-stop. Funny a?
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Nor the back door exploit into the Horde base.
Funny eh?
And come on, even you must be able to admit that premading in a BG specifically intended not to be premaded in was an exploit too.
Funny how you are upset it was fixed hey?
If you are ranking its all about honor honestly and not winning, if you just farm kill in AV you still get honor which still make its playable.
What is unplayable is retail, as you have to deal with Raidio morons and whatever rng and other garbage system that is implemented which can take you up to 4 month before your class is even playable.
Only the Horde âback doorâ is not used as itâs actually easier to just go the normal way. In the Alliance base you can just waltz in. And the premade part the Horde could do it as well only not as efficiently. Comes with having the bigger faction but the Horde only wants the benefits and non of the drawbacks.
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Funny you say that when they literally couldnât.
But hey, keep telling yourself that Alliance AV premades is not an exploit yeah?