By that logic everyone that has used voice chat in wow is an exploiter. And funny thing that in my last AV game the Horde used the back door exploit. As always.
Oh you can see the future ?
I donât know how many AV youâve done, but when alliance actually tries to win the win ratio is quite equal.
Heck even now when a group of 10 alliance sit at IB GY there is almost not a single time they can be removed, unless the whole horde raid recall and fight them, and that must be done before the rest of the alliance raid reaches IB GY
But you can keep lying to yourself
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Thatâs the dumbest thing Iâve seen in 15 years of WoW forums.
Congratulations.
Dumbest thing is a high rank like you saying that you being exalted with AB means that Horde in general have a good win ratio in that BG. In my realm all rankers were exalted with AB in the first week it was released. Think you are so smart?
Not sure whoâs the one lying to himself. So on other maps that are almost symmetrical itâs basically a 50/50 win rate on both sides yet on this one completely asymmetrical map the Horde win ratio is 95%+ and it somehow is unrelated to the map and the advantages one side has on it but down to âtrying to winâ even though there is no issue with that on other maps. Also if youâre claiming that 10 people can capture and hold IB youâve obliviously not played very much AV.
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AV is so horde favored its ridiculous.
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I havent played AV on classic alot, but im wondering whats diff then on pservers. We usualy won with alliance on pservers.
AV Situation is unplayable as alliance. Do you mean the afkign rogues behind every tree? Or the afking nightelves in the mountain near to leech hks for honor? Or do you mean the warriors staying on their mounts leeching HKS? Or do you mean the people who defend our Cave? or do you mean the people who itentionally run around as ghost back and forth? Yes thats alliance.
This is how you bait the hypocrites âŚ
The map layout is only one element of a BG, but I guess I havenât pvpâd enough
MateâŚIB gy canât be defended by 10 Alliance. I am exalted with 2 characters, and that never happened.
I donât agree, that there is no difference in attitude. When ALL you care is honor and reputation PER HOUR, you gonna lose. And thatâs what Alliance players admit in these forums constantly.
You might have lost the part where he says that in the other BGs there is more or less a 50/50 win ratio. It would be normal for a different BG with large numbers a 40/60 win ratio for the horde or alliance depending on both asymmetrical map and different attitude, yet it is almost a farming ground for the horde.
The defeatist attitude of the alliance isnât something that came out of nowhere, after we tried every possible solution and strategy we found out that the only way to level the map discrepancy was to act more coordinated via the premades, then this got removed because #SomeChanges leaving us with no weapon outside making it longer for the horde to win or letting them go through undisturbed.
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The Horde has bigger queue.Of course they would be more motivated to win.
Again, that could account for a 40/60 win ratio in Hordeâs favor. 5/95 means there is a problem and the map exploit combined with other map advantages is ofc one. We are not even asking to change how the spawn cave works, just to fix a glitch and see how it goes.
JUST DONT QUEUE AV IF YOU DONT LIKE IT!
God I hate to say it but the only way you can really change something is when you FORCE it. But Ally just a bunch of âmimimiâ that dont force it.
DONT QUEUE and make it a 10+ hour queue time for months. You will see how fast they will change. Just post that âdont queueâ topic on every forum on each language and you will see results. But discussing here doesnât change anything cause Blizzard people dont even read it or just dont care.
MAKE THEM CARE and dont whine around and do nothing yourselfâŚ
Most of us are already doing it, we are just forced in for the rep.
Dont bother with the rep. Honistly not worth it
Well he said :
As you can see the first thing that he mentions is the geography, and other advantages horde has on it.
Iâm not in his head but since there are no others examples Iâm assuming that, for him, the only reason that explains the horde win rate is the geography.
And again, the map layout is one element of the BG, if we want to have a serious conversation we need to examine the prem v premade ratio, pug v pug, prem v pug, small group vs prem and small group v pug.
In every case the win ratio is going to be different so making a broad generalization only adds confusion because we donât know the specifics.
Ofc the map layout has an impact, but so has the queue times, the preferred group mode, the experience and the reason of queuing. Iâll say it again, if we donât take into consideration every aspect weâre just being hypocrite and donât really care about exchanging insightful information
The difference at hand in AV compared to other BGs are playersâ number in the match, no premades allowed and map geography being not that symmetrical. The latest referring also to the backdoor glitches and the higher number of respawn in the Horde cave.
The number of players and the inability to do premades or not isnât really worth so much in a general win rate scenario because players skill level is almost the same overall. I wouldnât also indulge a lot on Paladins vs Shamans because the field allowes strategies to make both classes shine.
Map discrepancies shouldnât be a big deal either, if something favors one of the factions then it would be no issue to have a small variation in win rates towards the favored faction. The issue comes out when the numbers reach really unbalanced numbers and a 95% win rate for several weeks should be enough to close entirely the BG because itâs obvious that something isnât right.
Thatâs why Hordies defending the status quo look like spoiled snowflakes that need their ego to be boosted by a really unfair advantage and having victory served on a silver plate.
So why is the winrate much closer on symmetrical maps? Sure player mentality is important but donât you think that playing on an imbalanced map affects that as well? Itâs also kind of funny to call me a hypocrite while you havenât mentioned the map balance at all. Also I still donât see how you claiming 10 people can capture and hold IB is somehow âbaitâ and not just you showing your lack of knowledge.
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Ow so the map does have an impact? Interesting. Because until now you made it sound like it was irrelevant. So donât you think the fact the map is so unbalanced has an effect on queue times and the reason people queue the BG?
Whatâs the point of the long rant about other BGs? Itâs very obvious that the winrate of both pug v pug and premade vs premade is much more balanced in AB or WSG than it is in AV. You donât need some deep dive statistical analysis to know that. You pretending like we canât say that is just you being completely dishonest and avoiding the argument. So why is this the case? Why are the more symmetrical BGs much more balanced in terms of winrates yet this completely asymmetrical one is 95%+ horde favoured?
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