BAN Raider.IO

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Oh no I’m late to the clownfest. :clown_face: :clown_face:

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Agree, nerf dh.

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Rio score is irelevant since people buy a boosts as they buy bread in store… it need to go for good.

Lets see whats this rio score bring to game:
-World top 1 toxic community
-Discrimination
-Judge someone before try ( this is just wrong, and against spirit of gaming)
-Make WoW feel like second job (thank you but I already have 2 jobs, do I really need third job to please you? )
-Flourish of boositng services (due discrimination people cannot get in groups even for trivial content, and they are forced to buy boosts for money)
-It dettered millions to play the game
-Part of people are obsessed with this number
-In bottom line rio score is spyware

I personaly hate and disrespect this score, the only scenario when I justify use of rio score is if player doing somehting really elite, like doing mytic +25, but almost all of you are rats who gonna demand score even to do mytic 10, I really pitty you, do you understand that demanding score for trivial stuff is degrading yourself as player, I spit on your skill if you must have perfect scored group to do m10…for me you are low skill stuff, because if you got skill you woud accept lower score guy as challange and overcome it, but since you lack of skills only way to catch up is to discriminate, be ashamed rio score fans !

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RIO concept is great, it could be expanded on tbh in a constructive way to make it more appealing. People are allowed to complain about RIO but should expect to be auto declined 90% of the time if they willingly withdraw from the current means of weighing a players skill/exp vs the rest in queue

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You guys don’t understand that Raiderio tools is not the sources of your problems.
The sources of your problems is players’ mentality.

It is how people are using Raider io. They are using it as a way to bring higher knowledge level player into their lower level key to get freely carry. They will takes 1 hour to only bring the few very high ilvl player so they trivialise the content they are doing.
Tbh, even if there was no raiderio at all, you definitely don’t want to play with someone like thise, anyway.

Like idk man, imagine we are bringing to the world a valuable systeme of communication such as Cell Phones, Internet etc… and it’s a great addition to our lives ! But people are using Cell Phones and Internet to sell drugs and promote War. Yes they are, so what ? Are we banning the use of Cell Phones and Internet ?
No we don’t, because people who wants to sell drugs and bring war will do it anyway. It’s the same thing here, people will find a way to judge you. Remove Rio, they will ask for achievement, remove achievement they will inspect your gear, remove the inspection tools … well they will just only play in private circle into guilds and externals community such as discord.

The only thing you can do is to avoid playing with people that have a mentality you think does not suit yours. Start making friends in game, start playing with people that share the same objectives than you and you’ll see, you will enjoy the game infinitely more.

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And that is why people need rio. There are lesser skilled and experienced than you. You acknowledge there are lowered skilled than you :man_shrugging:

You more sound like an elitist looking down to players who are playing in their own playing field on a different difficulty.

You can not try with only 1 key available.

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Option one: RaiderIO is banned, and good players get frustrated because they’re forced to play with poor teammates that can’t make their M+ in time.

Option two: RaiderIO isn’t banned and noobs are frustrated they can’t climb in keys.

Conclusion: Someone will be frustrated no matter what. Get better at the game I guess?

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THE HERESY I SAY! Send me your address while I pack my pitchfork, torch and blanket from mum. You’re done this time!

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Thats only relevant if u dont know how to use it.
Yes, rio creates some kind of toxicity, but imo its more m+ thing rather rio thing ( see MOBAs, they are toxic as hell, but they are toxic because they are what they are, not because their ranking systems and players ranks)

Without rio, there will either be something else, or whole m+ situation will be much much worse

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For crying out loud stop shouting “discrimination”. You’re using the word wrong. No one is “discriminating” against your low score self by not taking you to a dungeon you’re very clearly not equipped to do! It’s a service to you as much as it is to the rest of the party.
If I lead, I’m responsible for my time and who I take with me, but I’m also responsible for not wasting the other party members’ time. By your logic, if I took someone who’s clearly unprepared for the content, I would be “discriminating” against someone who’s also applied and clearly HAS done the climb like everyone else. That player could even argue that it’s favoritism towards leeches/carries/new players or something.

If you apply for something you’re not qualified for, it’s not discrimination. The nature of an mmorpg is NOT “Oh I’m 120, everyone is obligated to take me to the latest mythic raid and a +15 mythic+ now because I’ve done every dungeon on heroic and one of them on +2”. You’re supposed to want to do the content yourself and climb your way up in gear and experience. If you don’t enjoy that, you shouldn’t be forcing yourself to do that content. And you certainly shouldn’t be forcing other people to carry you through it against their will.

I don’t care if Rio gets banned. I’ll just go back to looking at people’s armory pages then, just like we used to do. But the armory page is a lot harsher than the addon… it only shows your one top key per each dungeon.

I have the right to manage my time and eliminate the risk of trolls as best I can. And I have the responsibility to not waste the time of the rest of my party by inviting a bunch of people they didn’t consent to carrying.
It’s been that way since Vanilla, and it’s never going to change. It’s not toxic to respect the free time of yourself and other people.
What’s toxic and dehumanizing is treating every stranger in game like bots that are there to give you gear, parties and do content for you without you putting in even a sliver of effort. That type of attitude is WHY gearscore existed, and why Rio exists now. Those players made an effort to learn to do the content and so should you. No one’s obligated to invite your zero experience self just because you showed up - they don’t know you, and the last 5000 players they trusted proved them wrong.

Sorry for my long posts. I just feel passionately about this because to me it shows such a core issue within the community’s general attitudes. To me such attitude is counterproductive to what an mmorpg is and what they used to be. Pugging truly has changed people, everyone is expecting everything immediately now and blames other people for not giving them everything they want. :< Those other players had to do the work to upgrade their characters and practice content enough to be able to do that run anyway… why must they be the ones to then carry every random that won’t even say hi? Not everyone enjoys carrying people. And yet nowadays the expectation is that anyone who’s capable of doing something, must take every stranger with them who hasn’t even tried it before. Or else they’re “elitist, discriminating, toxic” or “mean”.
It all just boils down to “Play with me because I want you to, or you’re toxic!” and that makes me very sad. You wouldn’t go to Classic to complain about people inspecting you on the roof of Orgrimmar’s bank. Rio’s just one modern version of that, Gearscore was the previous one. And there will be a next one.

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“+2 rio 4k, dh, rouge, hunter, mage only, s1-s2-s3 4k rio 470+ or dont bother”

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this is some low quality bait

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They are maybe more skilled maybe less skilled, but i will NEVER judge someone before I play with him, and entire rio is about judge someone before you try which is against sportmanship. And all based upon score which is buyable for MONEY…Boosting services work 24 hours per day, people buy boosts like they buy bread in store, all because discrimination you rio fans make, I cant blame those who buy boost anymore, shoud they spend entire day being rejected to do trivial stuff because you rio fans are not pleased with their score? Offcourse no, so they take wallet, reach card and buy boost. You guys dettered millions from game, because of you game feel like second job, as soon blizzard realize how much damage rio did to their game, they will disable data leak yesterday, i just hope they alredy discusing about it…

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Raider io is just a reflection of a person’s experience in mythic plus. If someone applies to my group I can see the highest key they’ve done, the highest key they’ve done in the key they are applying to, their overall score, how many dungeons they’ve completed in each bracket etc etc.

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The reliability has proven untrustworthy for every key ran below +15 as the so called boosting communities capitalized on this selling it to the masses who can’t play a dungeon properly but want to show their wallet skills.

I can happily agree on OP’s part, remove raider io and remove the data being accessible to addon makers, it only made people more toxic.

but this isnt a rio problem. its a people with too much money and either too few time or just plain lazy problem.

there are plenty of boosting services, not only for m+, they sell raids as well, which makes your whole point moot.

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maybe but i always wonder why play this game when you don’t have the time to invest in higher end content?
why play a game that makes you pay through the nose for “achievements” that mean nothing?
also buying that run doesn’t make you a good player, it just makes you a insert name into here which could lead me to another silence by a trigger happy so called moderator.

What about armories? Remove those too? Maybe Remove the inspect option so people don’t know my ilvl. Just make PUGing an RNG where you either get one of the top players in EU or a new player who’s never done a dungeon.

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As someone who has boosted for gallywix, twillight, pink panda, aswell as a good friend of someone who has run his own boosting community for years, i can tell you that a very generous estimate for people buying score is 10%.

And as i said that is a very generous estimate, it’s likely way lower, so no it’s not at all common to buy score. Out of all the boosts i have done, i have seen maybe 1-2 that were with the intention of getting score. The vast vast majority is for gearing alts or people who need a certain piece of gear and can’t be bothered trying to farm it via LFG where you might not even get it traded.

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