I’m telling you that price fluctuations are irrelevant, because whatever the price may be at that moment, its the same both for the rogue and for other guys.
As for availability, at the very least there’s one available right there - the one that just dropped.
As for your question, no its not the same, but I don’t see the point of that example, what point are you trying to make with it?
I’m not talking about the ethics of needing for gold. I am specifically challenging the claim that it’s the same thing to need roll an item that can only be vendored as it is to need roll a BoE item that you intend to sell.
Well, yeah, its not the same, but it was used as an example for the purpose of showing how interchangeable BoEs are with gold, and it does the job well enough.
And if you continue with that analogy and imagine that you can also buy that item from a vendor for the same 300g, then it becomes even more similar, but I don’t see much point going into that instead of discussing BoE items directly.
If you get a big pot of money as a drop, it has a fixed value. A BoE does not, and you might get more money for it tomorrow than you would in a month. Conversely, you might need roll it for gold, expecting it to sell, and find that nobody on your server buys it for weeks, incurring considerable auction deposit fees.
There is also a time lag. You have, in another thread, made the argument that gold is the same as a BoE because you can sell the item and buy the thing you wanted instead. That doesn’t take into account the hit and miss nature of the auction house. If nobody buys your item, or if the thing you want instead is not available, you don’t get anything yet.
The other guy would likely have been using it immediately, or at least once enchants are in place. The time lag therefore becomes a difference.
Alternatively, consider a situation where two items drop, and you each get the one the other wants. You can say that they’re both worth 300g, but if one of you decides to sell it for 360 instead and someone actually pays that, he’s made a profit. That’s a different outcome from if you’d both just passed on the items the other one wanted. It’s different again from if you’d both obtained pure gold as drops, which has that fixed value.
I’m not going to get involved in another debate on what the “right” thing to do is because it’s a divisive topic and I don’t want to spend all night on it, but the claimed equivalency is false.
No, it doesn’t. Gold becomes more valuable or less valuable all the time, just like any currency.
That would just mean it’s not as expensive as you thought it was.
That risk/delay is already included in the market price of the item.
That just means one item was more valuable than the other, and no, once again, gold doesn’t have a fixed value.
Give it to the rogue. It’s the right thing to do. Everything else is greedy ninja looting it from the one person who actually wants and needs it.
It’s disgusting how greedy people have become.
That rogue would use that sword for a long time.
If some greedy mage would roll on a krolblade that drops and I instantly would equip and used I would be tilted. I dont roll on other classes epics in dungeons if someone actually wants to use it.
Mankind became a bunch of greedy bum holes. It is sad.
Then why doesn’t he just buy it from the AH?
100g is always 100g. The presence of vendor items (that people actually want) and quests that have gold requirements ensures that gold always has a fixed value. It’s everything else that changes relative to gold.
Or that there’s some other reason people are not buying, including but not limited to: people not wanting to buy from you, specifically, people not being able to afford the item yet and people not checking the auction house during the specific times you have it listed.
Irrelevant. A Krol Blade today is worth more to that hypothetical rogue than something that costs the same amount but is not currently available tomorrow.
No, because nobody can know with absolute certainty how much their item will be able to fetch. It’s entirely possible that player B’s item could also have been sold at 360g if he’d set the price there. An item is worth what people are willing to pay for it, but that’s not the same as saying that every item is sold for what it’s worth.
The robe is soulbound when made, so it is the same thing. When you learn it, the item basically becomes soulbound.
Uh, yeeah… if everything else changes relative to gold, that surely means gold changes relative to everything else, right? 
Gold can have different buying capacity. Not for vendor items, of course, but we’re talking BoEs.
Look, if there are only 20 people playing on your server, then yeah, that would be true. But then there’s no market price for that item, because there is no market in the first place. So yeah, the rules would be different.
How do you know? What if he doesn’t play for a day and therefore doesn’t use it? That’s pure speculation at this point.
Nobody needs to know with certainty how much their item costs, you just go and buy or sell it and see how much you can get. Items are worth what they are sold and bought for.
If somebody actually needs it (e.g. it’s an upgrade for them) he gets the item. The rest either greed or pass. If no one needs it we all greed. That’s literally what those two options are for. In OPS situation, when I see the rogue say “YES” I instantly pass and congratulate him on getting loot. Not giving him the item is a pretty big dick move. I can’t believe people are this greedy for gold. Just pick up fishing and alchemy and farm your gold off of raiders. Random BoEs are a pretty poor way to get rich tbh.
It’s impossible to talk about gold without talking about everything you can spend it on. If there’s any chance I sell a BoE and spend the money on vendor items, then you can’t separate them.
It has been extremely common on every server I have ever played on for items to stay listed at the same price for an extended duration. Often they only sell to someone who thinks they can get more money for them.
If you can’t understand net present value, that’s not my fault. Also: he’s playing right now.
So if I decide one day to start selling stacks of thorium at ten coppers each, that means the value of thorium has declined?
No, it means I am a fool. Everyone else’s thorium will continue to sell the moment I run out.
On my server/faction, people generally greed on stuff and need only if they equip it right after. People that roll need to sell something get put on naughty lists.
I saw a hunter get an epic gun, a warrior get the myrmidon signet and I myself got the sash of mercy as random epic drops in dungeons. In all cases the others who didn’t need them rolled greed and the winner rolled need and equipped it afterwards to get inspected. The hunter waited for us to see that he had the gun equipped and then switched back to his bow, as he didn’t have the appropriate ammo with him.
PS: It’s a PvE server. People might be more reasonable here. 
It depends, but I would say ALL NEED, and make sure all need, that way there are NO ninjas unless someone b4 hand came for that item only and no 1 else needs it and in which u could always say i will need and if i get i trade it to x person etc but that’s kinda overkilled and would seem ninjery
If you have a premade group of friends / guildies u can probs trust to greed roll but idk.
If you want to guarantee no ninjas, just all say all need roll etc
If you say all greed and a ninja happens, you set yourselves up etc
You can burn dollars to produce a fixed amount of heat and get warm, no matter what its buying capacity is at the moment.
This doesn’t mean dollar is always worth the same.
Uhm, okay, like, so what?
Yes.
Yes, and so its value will rise again.
I agree
I can’t stand warriors who need on leather when they can wear mail and plate in addition to leather. No appreciation in the game atm. On my rogue I don’t care and just need on everything
Another false equivalency. The value of fuel has never risen so high that it’s more economical to burn money (outside of economic crises), but there are vendor items out there which people need and can’t be obtained any cheaper (e.g. secondary profession manuals, other profession plans etc.). Real-world currencies also have to be measured against each other, whereas Azeroth only has one.
So you can’t reasonably say that the only reason things don’t sell is because of a failure to estimate the price correctly. There’s a very large data set to examine.
That is an overly simplified way to think about market value. As noted, not everything is sold at the going rate. If you won’t accept this then there is nothing further to say on the topic.
Half of the best DPS warrior gear is leather.
Ok, let’s clear a few things up.
Guild members always come before PUGs, as a matter of fact. I still can’t process how one could even come up with the opposite idea. My only guess is that maybe instead of an “old generation” problem, we’re experiencing an “entitled generation” problem. So millennials, I guess?
Blizz made BoE items as such for a reason - if they wanted Krol Blade to be a BoP Rogue item, they would have made it one. Something most people on this thread forget, at least as important as the gold aspect to a BoE, is the fact that you can mail it to alts.
You say that a Rogue’s day would be made if Krol Blade dropped for them. Guess what would made my day on my tank - that’s right, winning a Krol Blade for my Rogue.
Some say - how dare you convert raw power upgrade for a Rogue into gold. I say - it’s still a raw power upgrade for me, just not on this character. I play four toons and they basically work as a unit, mailing each other crafts and drops starting from the launch day. I logged in on my Hunter for some rested XP, got a Krol Blade - even going by BIS logic, why shouldn’t I need on an alt, if it’s BIS for my main?
I actually can’t recall ever putting a BoE on the AH. It has always ended up on an alt or a close friend’s.
Running nearly every profession, I also need on most recipe drops over all characters.
If you really want to help a PuG member, you can always give him the item later.
There’s no guarantee that the PuG member will even equip the item. You can blame Blizz for this. Prisoner’s Dilemma has different solutions between running the test once and multiple times.
I always make greeders roll in chat if I win the item.
It’s alright if you want to be a good and helping person. But don’t let this echo chamber of a forum peer pressure you into morals that will serve to your detriment.
If anything, it feels like the consensus goes the other way. Most sit somewhere between “need as a matter of course” and “need but let anyone who greed rolled also /roll”.