Classic Era Patch Updates

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I have played original Vanilla, and pservers since around 2014, and I have never heard the discussion that Alliance ever wanted the buff (I have switched factions a ton of times - I play H/A on Era). In fact, in every single server I have ever played, what I have heard instead is of Alliance PvE uncontested superiority because of having Paladins.

Before anybody says it, no, Horde has never asked for Paladins. It is part of the Vanilla lore, back to WC3 times.

For clarification - If you wanna PvP in AV you are NOT a griefer, if you engage in open world PvP you are NOT a griefer. No, you signed up for a Player versus Player server. You have the option to play on the PvE server, which Era has by the way, if you do not want to engage in PvP.

Join the PvE server / cluster. This is actually the end of this argument. You can’t rebut this.

With all due respect Syldir (I appreciate the tone of your posts by the way), I am going nowhere, since I decided to stay in Era with my main and have played here since the first day of 2021. Alliance warriors cannot ask the community to cater to them. It is not fair for all the players that built up this community from the ground up. There is a reason Firemaw is the most populated cluster → The playerbase who built it up.

Long story short:

  1. You want MoS? you have SoD
    2.You want no PvP? There is a whole PvE cluster

Now do not say “but the PvE cluster has low pop and bla bla bla” - You may as well go build it and stop complaining.

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h ttps://imgur.com/G1apRGX

Its literally on the site :person_facepalming:

P. S. - to use the link remove space between h_ttps

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either you came to play Classic that shout stay Classic or you didnt come to play classic that means you picked wrong choice at intro screen with choices what to play.

Its not classic if you change things in it. Classic is something classic to be similar to original. In this case to Vanilla.

We paid for copies before pre-TBC patch to play ERA as classic was at last day before that patch.

How hard is understand that Rend was never for Alliance? That you use bug to get its your own choice. You dont deserve MOS neither as Rend was designated to boost Horde pve progress as Alliance is favoured in different field for pve in Vanilla well Classic.

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MOS nor Rend should never land on Alliance raids. If anything then they should fix bug that makes it possible to get Rend, and never ever implement MOS, due how unfair its for Horde being not favoured for pve as much as Alliance.

Raidlog is your meta. Its should never be considered as argument.

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I myself played vanilla on both Runetotem(PvE) and Magtheridon(PvP) but stopped shortly after cata was introduced. I remember it being discussed all the way back then, however it was not really important then. To be fair, back then people wanted everything all the time and all at once! They couldn’t get enought of the ever-evolving game. That being said, I was unclear of what I meant. I should have difined “always” for classic to be specific. Thanks for pointing that out, I see the confusion. My time in vanilla to wrath I too heard the alliance PvE uncontested superiority, horde PvP uncontested superiority which has lived on in classic more or less during the expansion. This is definitely true. I just don’t want to compare a whole class to a single buff. Class balance would be a completely different issue to me.
I strongly disagree. They may not have been the majority but surely there has been alliances that wanted shamans and horde that wanted paladins. So much so that TBC got them. Surely some classic players want/wanted them too.

The whole griefer thing is hard to define. It’s one of those things you find hard to describe in specifics but you it when you see it. People see it differently. Mosly when people call other players griefers in AV for PvP’ing it’s because most of the time it works against accomplishing the common goal. AV is very weird in that way. So are the other BGs but mostly AV. The goal is PvE based which is counterintuitive. What they used to ban people for back in vanilla has been going on since classic launch without consequences so people didn’t know what they signed up for. I also don’t think many people would have foreseen the amount of griefing we would get. Most people on Firemaw remember WCBHO and I would definitely categorise that as griefing. The problem, specially now in era, is that once things are established (friendships, social, crafts etc.) it’s hard to give them/that up. Now it would probably be a logistic nightmare and with one account not griefer-free garantee experiece when taking Rend as alliance anyways.

To be more specific. People are asking to be able to play the game more and not be raidlogged. Griefer free too, but it’s still a problem, even when switching to PvE server, so it doesn’t fix the problem, though it makes griefer much less likely (I assume since I actually don’t play on any PvE server).

The respec is mutual. I appreciate your tone as well. I’m not sure I understand what you are saying though. If changing server would fix everything for both parties, what would be the downsides? There would be a risk of one of the servers dying out because not enough people transfered/stayed, is that it? I also don’t think it’s alliance warriors that is asking the community to cater to them. Blizzard implemented a change and some streamers and other people made Blizzard cater to them. So I think it’s both ways if we need to look at it like that. Everyone here helped build this community (though I fear not many of the people who signed the petition against the changes), including those alliance warriors.

Long story short:

  1. People here don’t want a complete makeover. They just want the touch-ups.
  2. Some of us like PvP. I personally love PvP. There may just be a higher standard of what we define as PvP worthy enough to mention as PvP. Even on PvE servers Rend wouldn’t be agranteed grief free.

All in all, PvE servers would fix a part of the problem but not the whole problem and then they’ll give you a lot more problems. So it’s not a fix

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Thanks for the link, I appreciate it. It doesn’t say classic era would be a museum but I get what you mean. It also speaks of wow classic and not the era version. In all fairness it did give that somewhat authentic experience with some changes. While mechanics, models, skill trees and such have been kept well and good. Having people play the game more by not having them raidlog is hardly breaking what they wrote if it even does break what they wrote.

I don’t think your argument of picking wrong side is relevant. You are after all presented with differences such as paladin/shaman at the start of your process. You aren’t presented with the problems later in the game and one shouldn’t ahve been playing private servers for years in order to make a decission when it comes to faction.

Vanilla was changing all the time. That’s what made it such a great game. It wasn’t frozen in time. Classic is not, nor was it ever, vanilla. From the very get go there were changes and they kept comming. While we disagree I’m glad you are still playing but may I ask you why you are still playing with all these changes? Both before and after era.

ERA/TBC splitting point and what they said it was going to be is a very strong argument indeed. The best there is. That would mean changing everything back then. That’s pvp detagging included. All of it as it was then. No pick-and-choose!

You say it wasn’t intended for alliance and that getting it as alliance is a bug. It’s just as much the case that MoS (similar to it) was intended for alliance but never got implemented due to a bug (game or development). Intended is not a viable argument here since we don’t know and most of what we know, they didn’t want Rend buff for horde only nor dispellable WBs. Rend was not put in the game to balance out the PvE progression. WBs weren’t even meant for raids except Naxx.
Again, there is the posibility to take Rend buff away in the game (hopefully for both sides then) or on warcraftlogs but until either happen it’s gonna be an issue with raidlogging. And ofc it should be used as an argument. No reason for it not to be

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i’m pretty sure it was added so you could stay online and play the game while holding your buffs off for your weekly raids.

And i would say their changes hasn’t been crazy at all. i know your concern with the potential of adding a store, and i agree that would be very bad.

The only change i’ve disagreed with from blizzard in era is the addition of druid polearms, because it directly affects some balance, which opens a loophole.

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tell me you dont play era without telling me you dont play era

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Theres no “good” changes for the version of the game that supposed to be unchanged.

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I am sorry but this not how it works .You just made up it. I gave you real link that proves museum statement. Now plz show me the statement that classic wow era supposed to change over time. And you will not not find it. Noone said that era supposed to be changed in first place , in the link i gave u with screenshot theres 0 mentions about some changes.
The fact that you want bring more changes to the game means that #somechanges never worked and never will. It contradicts the spirit of #nochanges and forces ppl to demand more #changes same time like you do now

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Btw the real classic is classic that was launched in 2019… You probably never played before 2021 i gess soo but classic never had chronoboons before. Either 2019 and either 2004 vanilla version.

If words like “Original version” “Azeroth as it was” from my screenshot does not mean for you museum? It means our conversation is over

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May I ask why you, and others opposed to MoS, feel this way? Other than “mommy promised”?

It is only rational to continually assess the state of the game and consider taking action if something appears obviously detrimental.

We’re classic andys too, the people upset about the MoS takeback are some of the people who play the game the most, many since the TBC split. And we’re opposed to changes too, just not to the staunch absolutist point you are.

We realized Chronoboons were good, because now people can play the game more and you don’t get ganked all over the world. Sure, those 2019 buff trains and the dispelling had its charm, but five years later I’m sure most agree the safety from Chronoboons helps make the game playable. MoS is the same. It just takes away idling and ganking in The Barrens.

However you view this mechanic and meta, the bottom line is that a ton of active players see it as the one true cancer of their Era experience. Its a reason to play less for some, enough to quit for others, after we were jerked around recently. And for what? Authenticity? It’s such an extremely silly part of the game. And it has no charm, not anymore, not after they told us MoS was here to stay.

Even Asmongold, in his infinite wisdom, admitted some changes should have been included in 2019. But for some reason it’s too late for that now, because in some obscure FAQ it says “a faithful recreation” and “a truly authentic experience”.

I’ll remind you of another change that was done for the better, from another goated game:

The back-pass rule was introduced in 1992 to discourage time-wasting and unduly defensive play after the 1990 World Cup was widely criticised as excessively dull, rife with back-passing and goalkeepers holding up the ball to waste time.

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There were no changes like chronoboons before era my friend. Chronoboons were added in game 2021 , at the end of phase 6
and when ppl waited for tbc classic. And I played the game before these changes, before 2021. It seems like you have no idea what are you even talking about since you dont know the real story of the game… You just made up it

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Even if its true, and realy said it but he is not actual game dev. By “some changes” he could mean whatever crap. Things like wow token, transmog, lfg tools, teleports, raid scips etc crap

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Who promised and stated chronoboons, who promised MoS , who promised that wbuffs would be no magic anymore and cant be dispelled, who promised you new ui change, who promised you complete pvp rank change.
Who asked? Who pointed this crap out.
Ppz show me the real link ,interview, information of at least one wow dev classic team said that tgey will change original classic in the future.

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You’re the ones referring to a promise of a pure, unchanged classic, posting links to a 2021 statement as if that’s some constitution. We’re saying we don’t care about that when it comes to MoS. That’s the only change we’re talking about, because we know what the game is like today (literally, many will be in The Barrens today, hating it), and we were shown how good it can be - and told it would be, only days ago. It’s so bad that it outweighs any delusional yearning for 2004 for us.

And, as you say, the no changes version is long gone. So wake up, there’s a clear precedent for making changes that limits griefing and helps players not stay logged out or idling, waiting.

We’re not arguing for most of the changes you mention, some of them have been changes for the worse, but I bet a vast majority of active players are in favor of two of them: Chronoboons and MoS. They both enable more activity, less waiting and griefing.

Indeed, “making changes to these, even with the intent of adding ‘quality of life’ updates – and particularly without discussing them with the community first – was shortsighted”.

So now we’re discussing, but only amongst ourselves it seems. Hopefully The WoW Classic Team is observing, hopefully they will listen to the people who actually play the game.

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Using smart words in convo dont make you smart. Only action matter. Plz provide the link, screenshot, video interview where classic wow devs said that they will change original classic wow servers in future. I bet you wont. And writing whole essay with made up facts out nowhere makes ur post unvalid

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Never was gone. Made up facts out of nowhere with no real proov

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Delusional take. Vanilla wow 2004 is the only reason why u have opportunity to play classic wow in the first plays and why it was launched back in 2019. You alredy contradicting urself :person_facepalming:

If you want play changed version of the game, you are welcome in SoD

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This is reason why people have running petition to reverse all changes. So you dont have any invalid argument to change classic ERA to retail ERA.