Classic is DISASTROUS for retail

Retail is not dying lol. Yes, people left…lots of them returned though. One thing I noticed though is that my interaction with players on retail is way more fun now and les toxic.

Could it be that all the bad apples are playing classic now?

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Store mounts? Are they all that you find “cool” looking lol? Like they say: small things…

I’m talking about the recruit a friend rewards that could very easily be in game rewards for something like archaeology, and yes the store mounts just so happen to be more interesting than the numerous mounts with changed colours :slight_smile: … Small things. LOL

Andromeda was good 7,5/10 game. Original trilogy was better at story telling, andromeda has better combat since it uses frostbite engine.
Playthrough takes at least 70 hours.

There’s also people like me though. I wouldn’t come back to retail no matter what, with Classic though they got my monthly subscription, so I don’t think overall they lose with the release of Classic, I would dare say they gained a lot that currently don’t play retail.

My friend’s list is now full of people playing Classic. Will they continue after a month? We’ll see.

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Numbers are a priority and it doesn’t matter which one you play .

Hardly. The likely conclusion is that there’s bad apples in roughly equal percentages on both Retail and Classic.

Though I’m guessing you were just running an anti-classic narrative, as retail players typically do (on this specific forum, not everywhere of course.)

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Your absolutely right, and its absolutely a good thing.

For over a decade blizzards wow team has been on a high horse saying we know what you want, you don’t know what you want yourself the infamous “you think you do, but you don’t”

Classics is going to be the eye opener for blizzard that they should respect there audience, because if they don’t there going to lose their player base. Otherwise other game developers are looking at the effects of classic, and are going to think “hmmm lets compare retail and classic as a case study, and lets make a game that brings the best of both in them”, and that will be the end of wow then.

The one thing that classic shows, is that retail, as it is now, will lose against any good alternative.

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A wall of text! Why? When all you wanted to say was, " bFa bAd! cLaSsIc gOoD!".

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Well, at least the OP posted on the correct forum. Usually these posts gets posted on the retail forums lol.

Do we know is retail servers are still on high/full status? Or most people are now playing classic?

Retail is DISASTROUS for Retail.

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tl; dr - Classic > retail.

Yeah, we know that already. No one cares about BfA and honestly I would appreciate if they just unplug it and focus on what they used to do best, instead of catering to some entitled middle-aged neckbeards with 5 kids, 2 jobs, 10 cars, 8 dogs etc that need to be able to do all content in one day or they’ll cancel their sub.

I don’t think you realize that the true vanilla players (true MMORPG players) that are currently playing Classic do not care about BfA even the slightest. The only way I would play BfA is if I’m being paid to. Maybe if it’s turned into an F2P mobile game I’d do LFR on it before going to bed or something, although that’s what Hearthstone is for.

In conclusion, if Classic is cannibalizing BfA so badly and if it overshadows BfA completely, then that just shows how terribly bad BfA actually is, contrary to what many Blizzard fanbois have been claiming.

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Classic = Retail

Both are different versions of the same game … World of Warcraft

BFA and retail WoW might have some flaws right now, we all know about them, but the most important thing is … there might be another 5 new expansions for WoW that adds tens of new raids, hundered new dungeons, fixes and changes many things that are now bad or broken :slight_smile:

I would rather play retail wow that is going to continuously over the years evolve, add new and fresh content than stick to one version of the game with the same content forever no matter how great the content is. Releasing classic was a great move by Blizzard because they will now do cross selling to all the new subs :slight_smile:

This classic vs retail is just hillarious :smiley:

Not agree.

both are different games, made by different people, for different public.

On topic ,
Classic kinda saved retail .
It was clear that retail was losing players day by day.
But now with a fresh new batch of subs we might see some quality in next expansion since some unespected money fell from the sky.

Keep in mind a lot of classic players will not buy the next expansion and keep sub as it is. But overall retail will atract more back again too .

Right now we have :

  • only classic gamers
  • only retails
  • classic & retail

The last is where the huge money are . Come for one stay for other

Personaly i will go back retail but only in the last patch ( my beef has always been that the story is fragmented in 3-4 patches an i kinda wanted in one go .)
In the mean time i fill my gaming time with classic.

Also TBC / LK are now considered in blizz mind as buffers for retail content lacking between patches. Because lets face it between patch 8.0 , 8.1 , 8.2 is quite a huge gap for what they bring . ( and the "new " content doesnt even cater to the huge M+ comunity .)

Genuinely enjoyed both Legion and Battle for Azeroth.
Continuing to enjoy Battle for Azeroth while also enjoying Classic.
I’ve seen no noticeable impact on Battle for Azeroth’s game play since Classic released except that a lot of my friends are also playing Classic.

However this is the Classic forum so I guess the whole “retail bad classic good” blog post format is an easy way to farm likes. :man_shrugging:

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Correction: Blizzard is disastrous for Retail.

Classic isn’t why Blizzard have been ignoring feedback on Retail for several expansions and it’s not why BFA turned out to be a disappointment. Retail has been in trouble since long before Blizzard entertained the idea of launching Classic.

Classic wouldn’t be as successful as it is if Retail was up to the standard Blizzard used to be known for. Classic is but a symptom of the problems WoW has as a whole.

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That’s like claiming that Arctic Monkeys (or literally any rock band out there) are the same they were before they became famous.

Retail =/= Classic at all, not even close, not even the slightest bit. It’s not even the same subgenre anymore. Retail is “fast-food” MMO, whereas Classic is “old-school” and “hard-core time-consuming”.

This thread is shortsighted.

There are still plenty of people playing retail, Classic will not and was not meant to kill off retail.

Blizzard has actually done the smartest thing they could possibly do:

BfA and Classic in one sub. People will focus on one or the other, but during content drought in one game, they can move to another, increasing the chance people will stay subbed for longer. People fed up with BfA might check out Classic and find they find it way more fun than retail, and will stay subbed longer. The people that have come back for Classic is probably also quite a high number, but the only thing investors will see is ‘subscriber numbers’ = ‘that much money’. They don’t care whether the playerbase plays one or the other, they only see the increase in income.

WoW Classic is released when we’re in the middle of a disappointing expansion, however negative WoW news will be overshadowed by the Classic news. Look at things like Massivelyop (just an example), most WoW related news was about Classic. On the classic Reddit, most are positive threads about the community and the game itself (Classic), which again overshadows any bad news about BfA. Which is also a win for Blizzard.

They have people in higher management positions planning exactly when a game should be released in order to maximize the profit out of it. The release date for Classic was not chosen because ‘it was only ready by then’, the primary motivation is ‘when is the potential for maximal profit the highest?’

They have financial analysts aplenty to help predict the income WoW Classic is going to bring, what the operating margin on it is, and when the best time is.

So in summary: they have not done the worst thing ever, but it’s actually a very smart decision business wise.