While I appreciate your vehement love for that aberration of a game you call BfA, your sarcastic replies do nothing but harm your side of the argument.
Facts are facts - BfA does not have “millions”; Classic has already surpassed BfA.
If you don’t like any of these two facts, then too bad for you. 
I like how you use the word fact, without backing it up. Also, please show me facts that Classic has surpassed BfA. Today please.
Retail has ton of Cross-realm features and sharding to keep game alive even with low population so I don’t think it’s that big of a deal, unless your guild ran away lol.
I like how you argue about basic stuff without doing research yourself that would’ve taken no more than 5 minutes. The European realms are 41*30k=1,230,000. That’s already more than BfA globally. I cba doing the math for US, Oceania etc since EU by itself already beats BfA.
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2336934-Rough-estimate-on-potential-Classic-player-numbers
https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/45346-wow-classic-realm-population-hub/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hnewman/2019/08/26/warcraft-classic-layering-and-realm-queues-ion-hazzikostas-explains-why-youre-waiting-to-log-in/#ebdc367e45d4
Read and educate yourself.
Edit: Milkbringer, I have no idea why this is leading to you.
Edit2: Noremorze, I see you writing a reply as soon as I posted this. Don’t bother replying before reading everything or you’ll just be making a fool out of yourself.
Edit3: Noremorze, since you probably don’t even know how much players the game you’re currently playing has:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/comments/9oka9p/wow_active_players_leaked/
https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17624462586
These numbers were last year. So today they’re even lower.
Edit4: It’s okay to not reply at all when you see you’re proven wrong. It’s called “dignity”.
You still are making wild assumptions based on numbers you pull out of your behind. Not every realm has 30k players, not every 30k are individual players. Throughout the day it ranges from 1k (Golemagg, one of the biggest servers) in the middle of the night to around 2.4k around 2pm. The evenings are obviously higher. There are however not 30k people logged in at the same time. I can back up those numbers because I actually have Census installed and have been running it for the past 4 days.
Then you link to mmo-champ for evidence and two links that literally say nothing about what the actual sub numbers are. It’s hilarious you tell other people to read while you haven’t even read them yourself.
And then you link to unofficial crap, that’s been debunked aswell.
Keep doing your great magic math, keep making a fool out of yourself and have a nice day.
90% of the realms have 30k, the other 10% get compensated by the queues in the other 90%.
What does that have to do with the topic?
I assume you’re talking about queues? If a realm is flagged as Full (which Golemagg is every day), then it has 30k.
Yes, there are.
Then you have no idea how to use it, or what layering is.
I’ve read everything I posted. Several times. You didn’t even bother.
At this point you’re just defending retail for no reason. It hasn’t been debunked. It was unofficial, and it will stay unofficial because Blizzard will never ever announce its official BfA numbers because that would be a concede to Classic and a forfeit of the “you think you do but you don’t”.
I totally expected a reply filled with nothing but hollow retail defending.
However, I did not expect someone to ever claim that one of the “original four” has 2.4k pop in case it has a 30k cap and 5k queue every night.
I reccomend you to seek up WoW’s budget and after this when you even remotely think it was not done for proffit, you are blue-eyed at best. There’s nothing nerdy in original wow. It was a simplified online roleplay experience to get masses into games.
Oh ffs dude, stop being so dense. Not once have there been 30k people logged in at the same time on a realm, not even close. I have been running Census multiple times a day for the last 4 days and I can see exactly how many people there are online at the same time. And thanks for showing how utterly ignorant you are.
And I didn’t even bother? I had already read those links minus one, before we even had this conversation. But hey, keep on making stuff up. You clearly live in your fantasy world where you are void of any reason or logic.
According to your great math there must be 5.3M players alone in the EU on retail. I’m done with you, since you can’t be reasoned with.
If it dies, it dies!
Retail has a game design of a single player game mostly, so I don’t think with all the cross realm features this is much of an issue.
I personally don’t care as long as Classic is left intact.
BC with flying mounts were a big step towards what retail is today, so i hope they stay that side.
If BfA is so bad it’s robbed of players by a 15-year-old game, then it deserves to die.
Classic will die with its hype. What do you think will happen when the masses reach lvl 60 and discovers that there is almost NO endgame content?
A large amount of classic players are actually retail players that just went slumming in classic. As soon as a new patch or expac releases they will be back.
Retail can change, it can be “fixed”. Classic, thanks to the #nochanges group will stay stagnant.
New content will come before the masses are even 60.
That’s a speculation, and a wrong one at that.
That’s just what you hope.
No, it cannot. It’s a completely different game beyond redemption now.
As soon as we reach Naxx, you’ll see how things will change - new content, Classic+, class changes, TBC plans etc.
Opinion…we all have those.
Thats just what you hope.
The #nochanges purists would like to have a word with you…
I wouldn’t say so. Modern WoW is a modern MMORPG, tailored towards Gen Z. It’s fast-paced, it has no immersion, no involvement, it’s a “fast-food” MMO with very little RPG in it. This is what Gen Z wants and this is what Blizzard gives them. And this is pretty much the contrary of what old-school MMORPGs such as vanilla represent.
I would call it a bet, and a very good one, considering how Classic smashed the expectations of its own makers.
“you think you do, but you dont”
“only nerds plays classic, and old peeps”
“classic gonna be a huge failure”
“classic is a bad game, nobody will be interested”
“stream is only watched by people who doesnt play anymore”
“…this is only hype, only will last 1 week.”
“… i-it will endure no more than a month, its only hype”
“eh-e- game is easier than retail, look at those pro exploiters finishing MC on stream while Im not even lvl 20”
“… eh… C-classic will die because it has no end game content”
Keep goin mates, will gonna make a sitcom out of this
Im all out for a classic new dimension, when ALL of vanilla content will be ended and juiced without changes.
The #nochanges purists will change their minds no later than half a year after Naxx’s release. Mark my words here and now.
I don’t see how it’s a disaster. There are people that play one or the other or there are people that played both. They released Classic at at time when there wasn’t much going on in Retail. The patch hype had been and gone. Blizzard aren’t stupid, they were only ever going to release Classic at a time that suited them and their time scale of releasing content.
At the moment most are spending time in Classic on levelling. There are, of course, a number of 60s running around too. It really is far too early for all these WoW is dead kind of topics.
I’m baffled by the need on both forums to portray the death of the Classic or Retail game. Enjoy the game you want to play and stop all the doom mongering.