Changes have to be made to fix game breaking bugs and exploits. But you can’t point to a single change made to balance a map or class like you ask for in this thread.
This is 100% my position as well, in case you hadn’t noticed. This condenses the whole tread nicely into one sentence, and it was all you. Thank you!
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What bug and exploit - not balance issue - do you believe exist in AV that makes alliance lose?
I remember when people complained about the backdoor. I said many times, it will make no difference if they close it. Then Blizzard closed it, they said it was a bug and exploit and it made no difference at all.
It’s not the map. It really isn’t the map.
I want alliance to win more in AV. I want fun epic AV games on both factions. But it’s not the map!
It’s a game breaking exploit if you’re willing to go that far.
Exploiting the terrain that has been given to you.
Exploit
“make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).”
that is according to the dictionary.
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You have to be more specific. Give me a specific thing you believe is a bug and exploit in AV.
Yeah right :D… Wolf in sheep’s clothing 
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Why do people like you always make straw man comments and personal attacks/comments like some politician? I have never done that myself to anyone. You and I disagree on the reason behind why alliance lose so much, right now, in Classic AV.
I am saying to you that it’s not the map. There are other reasoning and me and others have gone inte great details explaining what those reasons are.
I did the same arguments when people said alliance was losing due to the backdoor. Blizzard closed the backdoor and it made no difference at all. because IT’S NOT THE MAP!
AV was my endgame on many alts on private servers. It was basically all I did. Classic AV is terrible, AND ITS NOT THE MAP!
Because it’s clear as daylight that you want anything but balance in the game… They just have to scroll up a bit .
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Here’s what happened from my perspective as I did AV heavily from when it was released until it turned into what it is now:
First week, it was pretty balanced, games were fast because in most games both sides tried to rush to get a short game (and max honor per hour). I remember ppl would say “don’t defend” and that kind of thing. I think alliance won most of these games when Horde didn’t defend. Horde had short queues of around 5 min (no idea about alliance queues, but I guess similar or lower).
Then after a couple of weeks the alliance premades started to REALLY take over and they were simply crushing the Horde. The Horde tried defending to delay the games and at least get some kills on elites and maybe a bunker but almost all games against premades were losses for Horde. However, when an alliance PUG appeared it was almost free win because only the clue-less alliance players joined AV in this way. Horde queue times went up to, I think around 10-15 min at this point.
Then after another couple of weeks Blizzard tried to stop the premades. First it failed but then they tried again and succeeded. This resulted in basically all alliance players who wanted to rank efficiently slowly stopped going AV because they could get more honor elsewhere. This is when the Horde started to win more and more. Because for Horde with long queue times for all BGs it was still worth to sometimes go into AV. While for alliance with short queue times, they wanted to avoid the risk of joining a slow AV which was getting really high at this point, so it’s bad honor per hour compared to the alternatives. Horde queues went up to around 25 mins at this point. From there it’s just gotten worse because now every alliance player knows that in AV they get crushed so even less of them join. Horde queue times went up to over 40 mins.
This is in my estimation the reason for Horde winning 95% now. The map might account for some percentage of losses but the greater difference is in what players are joining AV. Even if they moved the horde cave or whatever changes u would like to see it will not make the difference you imagine.
Straw man and personal attack in the same sentence. Do you think others and Blizzard will take you more serious now? Do you think that Blizzard will go, AHA it’s the MAP because this guys made a straw man comment!
THEN LET’S TRY IT SHALL WE?? It’s not like you can break the BG even more.
(Sorry for caps)
P.S. Won’t respond to your earlier part of the post as we have covered that topic extensively in the earlier part of the thread.
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T’aint the map matey - it’s the same map that I used to win more of as alliance back in 2005/6.
Haha, sure I don’t care. It won’t make all the alliance rankers start going AV and it won’t stop the horde rankers from going AV, so it will jsut stay the same. Maybe you can win 10% instead of 5%…
No, we don’t “try things” with changing the terrain in Classic because classic is a recreation of Vanilla. This is not a game for us to play and have fun. This is not a game to be balanced. This is not a game to be fair. This is a game that is a recreation of Vanilla. The map in question is an accurate authentic recreation of the Vanilla map. There are other changes that could realistically be made to the queue and reward system that would in fact have a real impact on balance in AV in Classic and would be a reasonable change if they could be concentrated exploits.
The only fix to av is to have blizzard activly monitor games and start handing out significant suspensions for afking and throwing games. The mentality of a large portion of the alliance players is too far gone for anything else to work that doesn’t involve major changes, like removing honor or mixing factions.
why do u guys waste ur time on this guy… he does not want to understand / be wrong
and he will ignore every point u make to save his fragile little ego… give up on him, he is a lost cause
Well me personally I am being boosted by a Chinese gold farmer in Maraudon on my alt (I actually know for a fact he is that https://i.imgur.com/i7tjHPx.png) and have nothing to do for 12min at a time 
So this is fun and maybe someone will learn something.
It’s not the map!
I want AV to be better for both factions! But it’s not the map!
Personally, I would like to see that ONLY premades can play AV. That would be fun and we would know 100% sure how balanced the map are.
Well, to me it sounds like a good start so why are you shrugging it off like it’s not significant? 
I’m not saying it’s THE fix or even part of it. But there has to be better balance. Perhaps make ally start 50% of games from your side and vice versa? Maybe…
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This is the first time you make a comment that is some what reasonable.
I 100% support this, for a limited time, so that we can finally prove to everyone that it’s not the map.
The main problem here seems to be that you don’t fully understand that classic is a RECREATION of Vanilla. This is the map used in Vanilla (1.12.1) and Classic AV is a recreation of that map.
Yeah, except you did imply that changing the map was the entire solution. Sure, maybe that’s not what you meant and I can accept that 
Sure, why not try that. It would be fun! 