How can this level of griefing be allowed in an MMO Game?

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Toxic players are on each server, but the example you described is far beyond the healthy mind can understand. I’m just shocked someone can bring griefing and toxicity to such disgusting level.

I play on PvP server because I like PvP as much as PvE. I even ranked two of my characters because of it, but I still cannot understand some of the behaviours some of the degenerates or immature minds/kids call “PvP” nowadays. It looks like some people treat the game too seriously forgetting it is just the game and that each of us players is a person who play WoW to have some fun and that each of us should respect other players and that we all should be fair to each other.

I know PvP is PvP so Horde and Ally kill each other… but again… It is fine while we kill each other fighting for the resources (herbalism, mining, etc.) or for the mobs we have to kill for the quests. It is fine when a group from one fraction tries to attack opposite fraction cities or control some area (like ZG island. Do you want a buff? Get the island first!!!). We are at war so we do PvP,

BUT…

There is a limit to it, and people who for example spend all day long having their chars in opposite faction city just to resurrect, dispel someone and die… is not something Blizzard should accept. It is not true PvP for sure. Same like full group hunting for a single players (sometimes even for low level ones!) and then corpse camping them. Things described by you moved even further beyond being toxic or anything I could call griefing and I’m surprised Blizzard do not ban the guys for all of it. And just three days ban for stealing raid ID and griefing the whole guild? FFS Blizzard… shame on you!!!

But maybe I’m just too old to understand all of it. Maybe griefing, being mean and rude to each other is something “normal” nowadays and it is just what people experience in their lives and then bring home and made stronger in game. Maybe all of it is getting worse because of lockdowns (because of covid) and mental issues some people experience by spending too much time isolated at homes. Is it a new “normal” and because of it is accepted by Blizzard???

I just wish us all to have a good time and good fun while playing WoW and I hope that one day the guys described by you will be just a small percent of the percent of the population of the servers and will not be able to do much harm to any one.

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Yeah, it is just a game, never forget that. It is not real life. I am surprised how far you go in imagining how people are based of some game.

Remember, it is just a game.

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I agree with you in general but this is not true.
I played quite a lot of MMORPGs and wow is on the more casual side. In ultima online, most “good” guilds had their castles. Most items were stored within chests in their castles, and they had to manually lock the chest after they get their items from those chests.

There were legit “thief” classes that went into their castles and stole their stuff. Or stole their items inside pvp combat from them. On top of that, we had “bomber” characters that sunk their ships or fishing boats or invaded their ships and looted all their stuff(they did the same to us as well)
Also, my guild for instance always had a few spies in other guilds that we got infor about their location, what they’re doing etc. This was all happening in a video game, in 1990s. Again: imagine, players not only ruined other guilds’ day, but also LOOTED ALL THEIR GEAR AND GOLD because of guild wars.

Spying is a part of war. It has always been a part of wars ever since mankind started to war.

Deal with it, get a better core of players in your guild that knows each other, learn to communicate with your guild members, have better intelligence etc.
Also don’t start the raid ID before the raid day. Check for dispellers around before you summon your main to a location.

etc.

This is a game, play it with prudence. (of course cheating etc. is out of boundaries of what I’m saying) It’s easy to QQ about everything and not learn from your mistakes.

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Yes I know. I just wrote it is just a game. But we play with other players and some behaviours should just not be allowed. At least not while normal people play the game. But again “normal” has a different definition for all of us and what is normal for one will not be for other.

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Yeah, and better not open that can of worms about what is normal. It is good to just accept there are a diversity of players, and that is what makes WoW great.

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In my original post, I said “this much is fine” for all those wbuff grievings/killings, because in the end we chose the PvP realm.

But I really can’t understand how some of you guys can react to the rest as: “so what?”

You think joining a guild as a trial and intentionally wiping 40 people in an RP realm is ok? I can do that all day, name change a geared priest, join guilds as trial acting server transfer, break their runs and do this to different guilds. In the end, guilds would be afraid to take trials and with the amount of people quitting, would just disband.

You think this is normal?
This is not PvP, this is a guild breaking harrassment. What has this have to do with the game? How can you say that it’s ok? It’s not.

And really what you think is “normal” doesn’t matter. It should be what Blizzard thinks normal is ok.

"1. Disruption / Harassment: Engage in any conduct intended to disrupt or diminish the game experience for other players, or disrupt operation of Blizzard’s Platform in any way, including:
1. …
2. Harassment, “griefing,” abusive behavior or chat, conduct intended to unreasonably undermine or disrupt the Game experiences of others, deliberate inactivity or disconnecting, and/or any other activity which violates Blizzard’s Code of Conduct or In-Game Policies."

Some of you guys think that WoW is like life or whatever, but it’s just a game.
Most of us play it to enjoy it. Not to get stressed over it.

Why can 1 guy with 2 accounts make life miserable for a whole guild, even a whole server and get away with it?
Isn’t this what’s described as “intended to disrupt or diminish the game experience for other players”?

And the next thing, ID Hijacking… Just WoW.
Not to mention that tickets have 1 day response time nowadays.
And just 3 days ban. So nice. So they can do it again on our next raid.

I mean 1/3 of our guild stayed logged off for the next raid day (because we couldn’t raid) so they automatically got a 3day ban themselves.
So in the end, we had more people banned for 3 days because of their griefing. Total justice. Totally deserved.

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I would say sounds like people roleplaying the bad guys… but in that case its just miserable creatures taking it too far :smiley: looking forward to caverns of time escort, not :woozy_face:

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I agree with you. PvP server is a PvP server so there will be fight between players. But we should respecting each other and some “borders” of lets say “fair play behaviour” should not be crossed. Those people by behaving like in some kind of crusade or witch hunt crossed the borders… and in my personal opinion moved far too far. But it is just my personal opinion and maybe this kind of behaviour is something “normal” for some people. But again… maybe I’m just too old and remember times when people were playing for fun and not for making the game experience of other players as miserable as it is only possible. It looks like the times has changed and Blizzard accepts it too (just forgot to update the rules for the new “normal”). And it it the really, really sad news.

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Are you telling how people should play a game? How you became entitled to do so?

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“I am playing horde in an RP-PvP server where we have an alliance guild full of toxic players”

The only RPPVP server on EU is ZandalarTribe. I literally made a post 1 week ago telling everyone to avoid at all cost to play on ZT alliance , since alliance on ZT is filled with immature players.

Lmao this is so hilarious. I haven’t seen such a toxic community on any of the classic servers, maybe on faerlina. I’m still surprised for how far they went to do this to you and your guild in order to ruin your fun. You have to be some special nolifer who hasn’t used a deodorant for months in order to pull this sort of thing.
I said it before and I’ll say it again, avoid playing on ZT alliance at all cost.

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Like every server, its infected w/ these private server fotm players that have been playing vanilla for 10yrs and are bored of it. So the only thing that gives them enjoyment is being toxic. Blizzard wont address it, too busy collecting the sub money.

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Nah, I played on Bloodfang, Razorgore and Golemagg. Those communities are nice overall. Sure, there were a few spergs, but it does not compare to alliance on ZT in terms of toxicity.

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Salmivaara was it a question for me?

I don’t do it cause everyone should have his common sense and respect the rules of the game he plays and other players too. I usually avoid people who don’t get it.

But if you don’t know each game has a rules and some kind of fair play borders. It does not matter if it is a computer game like WoW or let’s say football match (or whatever else). There is the fight (or competition) where everyone wants to win, but there are some limits and let’s say “common sense” of what is/should be allowed and what is not. Most people just know how to behave, some other need to have it explained or reminded somehow (for example by reading game rules) or they learn it at the time of “punishment” for breaking the rules. And unfortunately there is always some group of cavemans who don’t give a f… about all of it and do whatever they want, breaking all the rules and crossing all the borders. It should (and usually) have some consequences. I hope you know it too.

Those people moved far to far already and even crossed the border of the game world (discord example) so I will not be surprised when the witch hunt move even further. I hope I’m wrong and I hope it is just a bunch of some stupid kids getting bored at home because of lockdowns and that everything will turn back to normal when they will have to go back to school. But for now Blizzard should do something with it because doing nothing will just cause the escalation of this kind of behaviours, which in long term can cause more and more people stop playing (and paying for) the game.

But again… It is just my humble opinion.

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Sounds like they really took the RP -part out of RP-PvP. WoW! This is amazing player vs. player combat!

That being said, i’m sure everyone knows there are also normal realms where people don’t play against each others. Maybe you should transfer to one of those PvE realms if PvE is your thing.

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We are talking about re-released content. People could move to retail. There are not even PvP servers anymore but that Warmore toggle which is the same toggle as /pvp before cursed BFA. Blizzard surely did something, and like usual when they “listen to the playerbase” they did retarded things. Instead of saying to people that go to PvE server they removed PvP servers roflmao.

Anyway, PvE servers and retail are the places where people can have the ultimate safe place. Leave these Classic PvP servers alone because they are for people who do not want WoW to be a safe place. The guild we are talking about here is a fine guild and true to the Vanilla/BC/WotlK era of WoW.

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I say “so what?” to every obstacle in my life. So being grieved in a game, doesn’t make me sad or whine. It makes me angry and that gives me motivation to fight.
On the other hand, we have people (majority) playing on PvP servers, who after having their raid wiped by the opponent, say “these people are sad, let’s get inside and start the raid”. I know it, because I was in such guilds. And it sucks. It lacks balls, and that’s wrong.
About “infiltrators”. I don’t believe that it’s so easy to do or it happens so often, so it becomes a major problem. But even so, kinda liked the whole conspiracy behind it.
What I want to say is, sh!t happens. The OP’s guild, should fight back. Unless the opponent is is not fighting by the (Blizzard’s) rules (exploiting).

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Grats to whoever is doing this, keep up the good work of making kids cry!

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Why make such a drama of a blocked raid ID? It’s just a game!

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I rest my case.

In my book they go a bit too far, but the baseline is do not roll PVP if you cannot handle this. Move to pve server

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i wish it was me and my guild i would enjoy this and be like ok let’s get it on. I would infiltrate them back

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