no. the pool is what it is. having extra tanks and healers selling their service doesnt do anything to the pool. they actually are additional players in the pool and in no way the pools becomes smaller if those services exist.
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HR is ok if you have a majority guild run and itâs something for the tank.
For the guilds, no tanks means no raids.
Other than that you just need to decide where your compromises are, do you need things from the dungeon besides the item (quests, attunements etc). If so itâs worth going still. If not make your own group, you are allowed.
It definitely splits the pool. Not everyone can afford these âservicesâ which is laughable to see exist in the first place. And then the pool further divided by players that want to HR and those that donât.
Selling Tank/Healing services and on HR everything is killing normal gameplay, why are you denying that?
Why are you supporting crappy behaviour?
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As a healer, Iâm fully geared. I donât actually believe that someone would buy healing services, so I donât even list myself, because I must grind honor and gold and grinding gold is more efficient in other places than random roll dungeons.
For me HR is fine. I donât see why people are so upset about it. Iâd actually heal stuff if people would HR runes or unneeded bops for me. But the whole negativity about this makes me just avoid dungeons.
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it does nothing to the pool.
Regarding Hr:
Dont force people to do you a favor and refrain from their HR. Because that is exactly that: a favor. They are not your friends. They can do hr because it works. Natural econonical law of demand and supply. This is what drives so many people mad and they refuse to understand it.
Im not denying anything. You just dont understand what you write. If these people dont sell service, they dont exist for the LFG. They will do smth else because they dont need the dungeon. The pool stays constant in either way
Because its becoming increasingly difficult to create groups. Tanks are not entitled to have everything they want, that is ludicrous.
You need five people to complete the dungeon, no one is that special because they play an unpopular role and I wont support this nonsense practise.
At the end of the day, this frustrating practise is pushing people out of content and reward and I imagine many are un subbing too. Mater loot should be disabled in dungeon and classes should only be allowed to roll on appropriate items to stop ninja looting.
I wonât suck up to every tank and healer that thinks they are entitled to everything. maybe you are okay with kissing arsÂŁ, but Iâm not.
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then the tank wont play and find another group. haha, what is this talk
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This behavior shouldnât be normalised. The game is about teamwork, not about leveraging your role to force others into unfair situations.
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Probably because most people already geared up.
And you are not entitled to have someone tank for you. Tanking is hard and thankless job. Absolute majority of warriors, paladins and druids will not tank, despite being able to. So itâs about scarcity of the resource.
Things are made even worse by the fact, that most DPS spec can farm efficiently, but tanks can not. So any tank will prefer to level or farm gold with his alt mage rather than spending two hours and 5g repair bill to get 5g worth of trash and one green item.
So not paying tank for his job is not respecting him in the end.
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I donât support this behaviour per se, but I have to realize two things:
- My income as a tank is horrible. Itâs bit of a puzzle, too. People take all the (expensive) gear, and Iâm just getting 20% cash and a bit of cloth. Thatâs not great.
- Tank loot is ever more sparse than healer loot, which overlaps with generic caster gear. That is reflected in drop rates, my warrior is struggling with a 12 levels old weapon - which was won by my resto druid. Cookieâs Tenderizer at 32, yay.
Thus I can totally get behind the mindset that if a tank wants something, they get it. Everyone is second. Of course this shouldnât be abused, itâs more about little mice like me, who never even need on a 2h because not tank weapon.
Most of it applies to pure healers as well.
For reference, my 37.5 druid somehow has 36 gold but the 32.5 warrior has 12g.
By-the-way, personal loot system (nodes and 20% share) would essentially flatten it. The only thing that remains the absence of quest rewards.
Too bad though that you canât understand what i meant, warriors in classic can chose to play 2 roles, i canât with a rogue, thatâs fact, weâve already established that and weâve also established that this isnât SoD! So i donât get what ur point is here.
I do however get the point here that you are defending the behavior of warriors since youâre one yourself, you havenât seen my side of the coin and you prolly also got all the stuff you wanted just be cherry picking classes. Itâs how i imagine how your gearing went and then prolly you also had the hardest time with the items not dropping which is something no player can do anything against.
Planning is undoable when ur late dinging 60 most ppl have no business anymore in BRD, UBRS, Strat UD. And then at the start of this realm, youâre on the same realm as i am, we had like twice as much ppl around as there are now.
Just open the lfg tool on UBRS and BRD and youâll find itâs all brown you see with demands all over the place.
Well, thatâs the moment to only stick with a bunch of likeminded friends. It shouldnât be too hard to find 5 - 8, 10 of those. Personally I rather go with 4 guildies and prefer the bit harder work than to join something random that might pe.e me off in the end.
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Its becoming difficult to create groups because someone always thinks they are entitled to something in the dungeon.
A dungeon is a group effort, I play Healer and donât expect to be praised, its the role I chose to play. scarcity of a role doesnât justify the horrendous egos being displayed.
When you decided to take on the role of tank repairing is part and parcel of that. just as casters need to buy drink for mana, reagents for buffs etc.
All that need an item should have the chance to roll on it, end of.
This is totally being abused. Canât even do a run of strat live without someone putting HR on 2x orbs. This is greed.
I would if i had more friends that were into classic rather than retail. Maybe within the next year i will find some classic chums.
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Never had any issue as rogue with HR groups. Either dont join them or make your own group. Simple as. If they dont âhrâ they simply wont inv any class that can possibly need on that item particular item.
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Being poor is not part of that. People are not playing tank because they are masochists. They playing tank because they like to tank.
Drinks are reagents costs are nothing.
Itâs actually healers who have it worse of it all. Nobody needs healing services, mana potions and runes cost a fortune and farming for healers is bad.
Bro, a repair bill doesnât justify you to hoover up all the dungeon loot get real lol.
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If I need an item from the dungeon, Iâd prefer to have a tank who will get all the unneeded loot rather than spending 3 hours for nothing.
OFC you donât care, you are healing and never need something the tank needs.
what does it have to do with ego? regardless of what class you play rogues are like a pest that brings nothing to the group