I’m not trying to bargain. I’m saying what I believe while I also acknowledge some points others are making when I think they make sense. Maybe you should focus less on “winning” the discussion and actually start having meaningful discussions.
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… Are you new around here? Got over 2k posts with “meaningful discussions” for you, feel free to check 'em out in the forum history.
Also, who said it’s about “winning”? Do you see it as a game or something? Address the points raised instead of worrying so much about being approved by others. Grow a spine.
You’re literally using soft positional bargaining techniques. Yet you say that now. “Ok.”
You literally keep conceding points to raise your own, in manipulative attempts to seem more persuasive.
That’s what soft positional bargaining is all about.
Call it what you want. You kind of made my point for me here by saying that I’m conceding points, as if I’m supposed to disagree with ppl just for the sake of it. That’s what I mean by focusing on “winning” the discussion. I’m not going to act like I disagree with something when I think it’s a fair point. Maybe you should try it because you’re coming across like… I don’t know, childish, I guess… “Stop agreeing with ppl!” lol
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No, you’re doing it habitually inbetween your own points.
Yeah, I agree there are some horde advantages, specifically at the GYs near mid. SHGY really sucks compared to IBGY, but moving in to the next GY, FWGY really sucks compared to SPGY, one of the best choke points in the map. Then we have the bases, I mean that bridge with 2 bunkers, man, it’s arguably the best choke point in the map.
Yeah I agree IBGY is way better than SHGY
but yeah there were some ppl who would say “just let them win”.
and I’m not against anything here really. Sure change some of the problems with the map or even switch the spawns so the alliance has the advantages.
that would also help your win rate.
I cba to dig through more of your posts, probably more examples in this very thread if you scroll further up.
But you’re habitually throwing in things that doesn’t even need to be said, because it’s a common point of agreement. So it softens your position, so when you raise your own point mixed inbetween these pandering concessions, you come across as more empathetic and friendly, so thus more persuasive.
It’s a literal manipulation technique, called soft positional bargaining. You’re disgusting.
Well, if you read some of my previous comments you’d see I think you are right about some things here about the map. I think there are some real advantages for the horde. It’s just that you seem to think that the MAJOR reason is the map and I completely disagree with that part of your reasoning. I think the map only makes a small difference and that the other factors have a much larger impact.
Ok, but you see, I’m NOT doing it to manipulate ppl so yeah, sorry for being too friendly. Now if you could please refrain from writing to me again that would be great. Thanks.
I’m not saying map is the only factor honor system does play into it but the map most definately is the major reason that Allience lose even the best stratagist couldn’t find a winning tactic for allience there hasn’t been a winning strategy that is consistent almost this entire time you ether have to hide then try to snipe the last boss without capturing a Gy before horde realises your there or you just zerg and hope for the best. Defending don’t work Allience side the same way as it does for the horde.
until these points in the map are fixed it which you admit they are unfair nothing will change. if the problem was ever fixed it would solve almost all the issues as more honor for allience in games as they fight back the win rate would balance out then when you get defeated it’s due to the horde outplaying us instead well the map is inbalanced we had no chance.
I completely refuse to believe it’s the players mindset or in anyway related to the queue time or the length of a match
Don’t you think the players who do the most PvP can contribute the most to the fights? Isn’t it the case that on the alliance side the rankers (those who do the most PvP) kind of stopped going AV (because they wanted fast games for fast honor and they get that from WSG/AB premades)? This is what I think is the major reason for the current situation and it does have something to do with queue times and mentality.
You do seem to ignore other factors. Like: They also changed the honor system for TBC so you no longer compete against your own faction for ranks. That way ppl can do the bg they like and still eventually get their PvP gear.
Please provide said evidence if it is documented like you claim… Also, feel free to read my comments to Tartanangel here. Otherwise I will just repeat myself.
Not on a 40 v 40 there is very little PvP skill actually involved to be honest all you need is gear with enough stamina and enough burst healing or damage to win the fight. I would even say pve gear/spec would be more beneficial as it’s all about the burst well maybe not for warriors since you need the stamina to survive longer.
The premade days they always said wear the best pve gear it was treated like a pve battleground.
The only time I would say that PvP skill contributes are for small skirmishes which in AV doesn’t really happen maybe for capping towers and bunkers but they do not contribute to a win.
It might be less skill-based but the team with better gear, talents and skill will still win the fight (PvP oriented players with PvP talents/gear will ofc beat PvE oriented players with PvE talents/gear). I have no idea if it’s even true, but the premades maybe went in PvE gear because they would just ride to the boss and kill it with as little PvP as possible. In actual PvP you do want more stamina. Towers and bunkers do help to win because when they go down so does the marshal/warmaster guarding the boss. I mean, if you ignore these things, ofc you think it’s because of the map.
No, you’re basically saying that psychology affects the outcome of rock, paper, scissrors plus. It’s of course laughable.
It’s not the only factor but, honestly , you are just ignorant if you don’t know that mentality/mindset will affect the outcome of a competition/game.
I’ve already written about that. It’s a small effect, but it’s not accounting for more than a couple of percentage units. It never does, no matter how clueless or bad at math you are (read: beware). The main decider is the imbalanced map with the differing objectives (highest honor per hour given queue times) coming in second.
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Mindset =/= momentum. Look up self-fulfilling prophecies and martyr complex instead.
Ok, I have to admit I didn’t read your whole conversation with Beware. Even though I don’t agree that the map is the biggest factor (or even very big at all, like 5%), I think that you are being fairly reasonable now. The problem is we are just speculating and guessing (and we have some bias obviously), so it would be really interesting if they would actually do a spawn switch so we can see what happens!
Also, given that the queue times most likely won’t change greatly (still at least over 30 min for horde), what do you think the win rate would be?
Wait what? You think the allaince have the same win/lose ratio on other bgs too not only on AV? Troll harder.
That isn’t even close to what I said.
Momentum ~ mindset. Don’t be an idiot. Are you saying there are two or more major psychological influences that affects player behavior so that they diverge from doing as biologically programmed and find the best solution over tons of games?
You have nothing to stand on. All your fundamentals are shaky. You dwell in the realm of self-help books and fringe psychological babble. Get a harircut.
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No, you’ve completely misunderstood what you yourself are referring to. That thing about momentum is about when an athlete or a team of athletes is losing IN SPORTS, to then see if it affects the way athletes make decisions and basically if they lose their will.
Mindset issues themselves are more ingrained, meaning even before any sort of momentum is a thing, and even before the match is played, the mindset is already overly negative.
So you basically end up creating your own self-fulfilling prophecy. Over, and over, and over again.
Which is further fueled by an atmosphere filled with strangers every time, and influence from social media leading to hypersensitivity.