I find Body 1 & Body 2 Upsetting

[anon95952619]

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[Pral-burning-legion]

I love u, Tah. Not in romantic sense, but it seems to be some kind of love.

[Zillimiss-silvermoon]

@Aeilyn-ragnaros

That somehow Thrall is no longer a male, but a ‘Body 1 Orc’ . That somehow Sylvanas Windrunner is a ‘Body 2 Blood Elf Person’ and not the strong female leader of the undead. That somehow Jaina Proudmoore is not a female, but a ‘Body 2 Person’. That blonde hair and feminine figure is just an attribute, not an identity of the person or gender itself.

Unfortunately, Blizzard’s offices are in California. They have already been sued for a raft of issues, so they are covering their backs.

I expect WoW lore writers are top level lawyers.

[Punyelf-draenor (Punyelf)]

@Tifa-lightbringer

Why does it bother you so? You’re still a woman…besides that second on the creation screen you don’t even have to look at it.

I honestly don’t understand the fuss, I can make characters exactly the same as before.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

[Elthala-silvermoon]

The scientific community backs trans and non-binary.
Even biology recognises multiple variations on the biological sexes and has for a long time. I’m assuming you haven’t studied it at a higher education level based from the posts here…
Gender is a societal construct and has been recognised as such for years as well.
We created gender as a society, gender roles have evolved and changed over generations.
So if we can change the stereotypical role of gender as a society as we have progressed. Why is it so unthinkable to step away from the binary of gender society made up?

[Disperselol-tarren-mill]

I hate bodie type 3

Tks

[anon97406483]

@Elthala-silvermoon

Why is it so unthinkable to step away from the binary of gender society made up?

It is not unthinkable. It just scares people like any change, which is tied to the fear of the unknown, but it doesn’t scare everybody and that ‘not everybody’ group has historically always been the group drawing our future.

[Egeszsegere-ravencrest (Egeszsegere)]

#royal leader body type 1

[anon47475792]

@Tah-earthen-ring

Sex = biology.
Gender = a social construct.

It’s funny, how few people can make that logical distinction nowadays. People, who think, that those are the same on both sides, including the left/liberal side, are causing this annoying dispute. If people stated it like this first, then there would be way less discussion about it

[Peacemoon-argent-dawn (Peacemoon)]

I realise this is a sensitive topic but I also found “Body Type 1” and “Body Type 2” quite strange terminology. The fact it was just two silhouettes that looked almost identical didn’t help either. I wonder if they just wanted to remove the male and female gender icons?

Having said that once you’re in game you don’t need to think about it anymore, but I believe most people like to identify their character as either a male or female [insert WoW race here].

[Andrair-bronzebeard]

Body 1 and 2? This is a pure psychic scream. Blizz have surrender to madness. They need an omen of clarity…

[Tah-earthen-ring]

No.
And don’t quote me. I don’t wish to be associated with someone like yourself in any way, shape or form.

[Тэссалина-gordunni]

@Tah-earthen-ring

No.

I know, sometimes it is hard to accept the truth. But don’t worry, you will accept that in future.

[Tyrostraz-outland]

@Aeilyn-ragnaros

I have always enjoyed playing a female character on WoW, it meant a lot to what it means to be a woman, and the fact that in World of Warcraft, both males and females are strong. Gender was never a point of contention in the lore, i don’t think it was ever raised as somehow an issue ever. It was implied into the lore that in this world, both males and females are heroes. They are heroes and will always be, they are my heroes, the heroes i grew up with. It meant a lot to see women in a strong position.

Now i am being told by Blizzard that this dichotomy of gender never existed in the first place. That somehow Thrall is no longer a male, but a ‘Body 1 Orc’ . That somehow Sylvanas Windrunner is a ‘Body 2 Blood Elf Person’ and not the strong female leader of the undead. That somehow Jaina Proudmoore is not a female, but a ‘Body 2 Person’. That blonde hair and feminine figure is just an attribute, not an identity of the person or gender itself.

Was this somehow a mistake? How could you change the nature of gender in all characters in World of Warcraft? How could you change the entire history and lore of characters? Are Orcs no longer supposed to be masculine?

Now i feel very strange because i can no longer play a female character, i have to somehow convince myself that this Body 2 is a female now without certainty. What does this say about new players who haven’t seen that WoW characters actually are male and female? For all the newcomers, this is all a lie. This is not an accurate depiction of the World of Warcraft or Warcraft, and the fact this is supposed to be a fantasy game and ‘make-believe’ and not a political show is slowly starting to be eroding away. Body 1 is Male, Body 2 is Female.

Now i’m talking to Blizzard, if your issue is gender equality or diversity, include a 3rd ‘customisable’ gender character, and keep male and female. If your issue is the dichotomy, have a spectrum but use the words ‘male and female’ on both ends. If your issue is to respond to complaints about non-inclusivity, you need to tell them that this is a fantasy story not the reality in which we live in this world. Stop trying to bring the real world with all its problems into a more than 10 year old game with established lore and well crafted characters and features, you are ruining all their hardwork bit by bit.

Body 1 and body 2
Why is Body Type 1 Male and not Female?
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/calling-it-body-1-body-2-feels-objectifying/1348847?page=9

That is SUCH a classic Body Type 1 thing to say