I fully agree with this. However “a bit” is rarely the case when it comes to what guilds actually demand from their players. No matter how bad or good the guild is the demands are there. Blizzard is doing the right thing by sniping this mentality.
I’m happy that they’re getting rid of WBs as well, they make raids very trivial and you spend so much time getting them (and people on PvP realms will no longer have to live in the fear of the dispell meta), but I don’t think removing it has anything to do with the mentality, really. WBs are just like any other consumable - get it, use it. If you want to get rid of the mentality, you remove all consumables and buffs, period.
The only thing that was hurt is the list of chores you have to do. And not having world buffs is also going to reduce overall toxicity in raids, given that you don’t need to worry about losing your buffs for the night.
However, I can easily imagine that guilds with higher ambitions will expect much more from the individual player, now that WBs aren’t there to push you further. It’ll also serve as new playing grounds for speedrunning teams, since they’ll have to revise their pulls and compositions.
You would be surprised how many warriors didn’t know they should use heroic strike.
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I agree, especially with the last part. I often saw guilds happily bringing completely useless players to raids as long as they were stacked full of consumables. Naturally their actual performance in the raid was still horrible. This also tells that there is more to this than meets the eye. Perhaps some kind of herd-mentality. Not good.
Some raid leaders are oblivious as to how performance works. Buffs, you see instantly as someone zones into the raid, but you’ll have to analyze actual performance during and after the raid, and not everyone has the capacity to do so.
its called parses and raidlogs if u ever been in an actual competitive guild ur classleader/officer would ask u a moment for a talk after every reset discussing with u what went wrong and what u should have done right,sometimes no talk was just good news, by the time u will asking urself ur classleader about ur performance coz there wont be any 2nd warnings… and b4 u get removed u will want to know what u did wrong and what u can do better to save ur raidslot and u dont end up to “bench”, keep improving is the key, also no progressive guild will tolerate a raider being static.
No need to tell me. I think you missed my point. Player performance was an example i used to point out that sometimes the actual gains, more dps or whatever, from worldbuffs and consumables is less important than the player just having it on them. Yes this does not always apply. What it does however is underline some of the mentality behind demanding them.
Its the mentality im “commitment-preperation-progress” nothin wrong about it. From buffs along u can see who is serius about raiding and invested time to farm em and consumes and who doesnt… as for performance u can see pleanty vids from experts or train on a dummy, this game need only 1 thing commitment u ether have it or u dont, thats what defines a good raider frm a trash one. U can learn tactics-rotation u cant learn how to be commited on whatever u do, u ether have it or u dont, its somethin that follows u in ur whole life not somethin just in a game called wow. If u dont have it hang out with like minded ppl, if u do have it u might perhaps want to hang out and with like minded ppl who have it aswell, at the bottom line this game is community based, dif strokes for dif folks, but u cant force every1 to play at the pace of some individuals.
Reminds me of corporate thinking in the real world. Bosses push their agenda and openly expect every single employee to fullheartedly agree with their grand visions and ideals. Of course, if you speak against it you get crushed like a bug.
I dont want this in my games.
Be the boss make ur own game…
Blizzard is making the changes based on player feedback. Removing a feature that is problematic for most of the population is even within the #nochanges parameters. The game is as it should be. The tryhards are the problem in my opinion.
No problem at all, tryhards will shine even more infact twice as much effort coz there wont be wb around wich they will fill up the lack of them with hard effort, the casual will be the one who gonna pale in comparison, when the hurtful truth of logs and parses will keep coming up after every reset, defining wich is ok to keep goin and who gotta be “replaced” and wich spec is viable and wich is “mediocre” and under the demand of the every +dps possible i bet specs like boomkin/ferals/eles mb even sp/enha will be out of the option, unless u happen to find a raidleader who is willing to spend hours organizing a raid to see it underperform and turning it a funpark of random yolo whatver specs.
I think you exaggerate. Of course leaders must make some demands. But within reasonable limits. The problem is that many tryhard leaders do not seem to possess such reason. There is nothing reasonable about demanding everything that exists of buffs and consumables in vanilla for all raids. And so the only solution is to remove some of them so that the players that suffer these poor leaders can have some time to play the game.
leaders will exaggerate… coz they will know they got a tough progress road ahead,and it is resonable if u go for perfomance run or no death run or speed run. And still im saying again it wont change facts we wont play with WB its done, subject have concluded as it seems less they decide to release wb realm (i doupt) and well who knows might be fun once for a change play without WB for just a SOM, and IF we dont endorse it we short it out in SOM2. But this wont help casual its quite the oppesite, thats what im trying to point out to u guyz, that what u r asking for simply wont be in ur favor, coz some1 having a hand less, and asking his rival to fight him with his hand tied behind his back, wont be any benefit to him at all.
Bad leaders will. And so they got nerfed 
gg. Likely nothing was learned. Its like they belong in a polstered cell. They needed big Blizzard to come in to punish them for using the worldbuffs and the players in ways not intended.
Dude punishent is a chained reaction social effect. Blizzard “punish” raidleaders and they will “punish” raiders, and raiders will take it and say “thank you” coz not taking it= no raid spot. I cant put it in more blatant words XD honnestly. Also not to mention none game dev punish playerbase for playing the game they made to its full extend. o.0
Yeah punishment may not be the correct word to use here. Its how this feels like though. In a way the punishment is removing the mental consumable-cloud upon which the tryhard-raid floats. If that is all it takes to sink their boat, good riddance. If not, the game will be better off and the content will be more exciting.
SO some1 who wanna roll say a shadowpriest, and there wont be any WB to back him up, but he is the kind of guy wanna speedrun and be in top perfomance guild doin record runs, what would u suggest him/her to do, coz for once that build wont be viable AND they will hardly have a single SP per raidset up wich will mostly be guildmasters buddy or boyband will tolerate him in that spec, what would u suggest to that gamer to do? since he will never get the raid expirinece he is after and his/her build will be unwelcome in top perfomance… and its not just sp many hybrids builds, what would u suggest to those ppl? play ff14?
I would argue that while some of these classes need the extra DPS the gap between them and other classes that scale better with stats (for example from world buffs) such as fury warriors, will be smaller. So hybrid classes total raid damage by percentage could actually improve and become more viable.
My dmg is crap -.- OH i got it lets nerf warriors dmg too, and be 2 of us… we should be leaning toward ways to make sp and rest hybrids with short fix and with not addin extra spells or altering talents to be close the gap towards warrior not nerf warrior or any other viable dps. You remind a good old joke, once in a village there was 2 peasants, 1 had a goat, the other didnt, the peasant without goat was mumbling and moaning and cursing coz the other peasant had one, some1 heard of him and ask his " whats all the fuzz man, why so sad bro?" peasant said “my neighbour have a goat and i dont…” the stranger said “oh well, i can short it out and get 1 for you man dont be sadface” peasant said “i dont want u to get a goat for me” stranger was “o.0” peasant said “i want my neighbours goat to die!” Lmao this joke is real btw…