Main problem with TBC pvp

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@Meiterumi-ragnaros

That’s exactly why it has a negative effect. The world isn’t there for a large group of individual players or small groups to enjoy. It is there for a 40-man raid to occupy any area they want

Uh… no, no it is not. If that’s what you want, then stay in Vanilla with the rest of your 40m raid.

@Meiterumi-ragnaros

It isn’t as hard as you think. Huge battles occur constantly on my realm. With flying in the equation, however, people with inferior numbers would never deliver a victorious strike because they would rather afk in the air and wait it out.

As a person who actually played back then on a PvP server, no that’s not how it works. I dunno if you’re projecting Modern WoW dynamics onto TBC or you’re just being conjectural, but that’s not how it works. Or how it worked, at least.

@Meiterumi-ragnaros

So, you want to judge flying mounts on their other negative effects? Fine by me! Let’s see:

• They make the world feel much smaller Subjective
• They allow a player to explore all zones in a couple of hours and thus get bored quicker I personally get more bored traveling then I get actually doing stuff
• They make some aspects of the game trivial and less challenging Which ones, exactly?
• Low-level ganking becomes much easier Good thing it only works in Outland, then
• Since people spend less time traveling, blizz will add some boring chore to keep players online longer Since it’s a legacy game, nothing will be added
• They are anti-social because everyone flies to their destination, and people don’t meet and communicate as often. Flying really dealt a bad blow to the sense of community Wrong. First of all, I dunno about you but I never stop while traveling to talk with someone on the road - heck, both me and the other party are likely semi-alt-tabbing anyway. If anything, flying makes it so that you spend less time alone and more time with others (doing quests/farming/instances), which should be what a MMORPG is about

Any more stupid or subjective points?

@Meiterumi-ragnaros

So, you want to talk about other things as well? Retail, as bad as it is, still has pet battles (pvp, pve, and hundreds of pets to collect), a lot of rare mounts to farm, transmog farming; rated battlegrounds, brawler’s guild battles, proving ground, mythic +, and a lot more. What does tbc have to offer? A bunch of raids, dungeons, arenas, and a few cool zones. If retail can get boring with all of that, I don’t even want to bother giving tbc a try. Even a more shocking concept, isn’t it?

Part of what makes Retail unappealing to new/returning players is actually how bloated it is. That, and the fact that class mechanics, itemization etc. completely sucks. No amount of content can redeem that aspect of the game. I dunno about you but I wanna play a MMORPG, not an ARPG.

EDIT: About the social aspect of Classic vs TBC, you might want to check this thread of mine: Why people say TBC has less community building than Classic?. It counters a lot of the misconceptions of the kind you’re saying in this thread.