Now that people can’t just P2W their way, maybe there will be catch up runs organized by people. Extremely similar to how there are still Deadmines groups.
On old servers population used to be small, like when I was raiding 2009-2010 we had just a few guilds doing it. Of course there weren’t many pugs, of course we did some fun runs like when I was tanking ToCr10. So you couldn’t rely on it.
Now we have LFD. All you have to do is sign up. Combine it with off-WoW tools helping to organize it (I guess Discord), there is a fair chance of it happening.
Just like raids in SoD. Surely there will be some vetting, will see.
You have began your comment with “Wrong”, agreed with everything I have said in my post and simply added in “a lot of people swipe to to do GDKP and that creates demand”. This was already addressed in my original post.
GDKP does not produce raw gold, it distributes gold amongst the players in the raid. Bots create gold, to sell to players. Demand for gold always exists. If you stop the bots, you slow the inflation in the WoW economy. GDKP is not the issue.
Look at the economy on Spineshatter EU, the rate of gold inflation is already massive after one week and GDKP is not even allowed on this server. The current rate of exchange is already around £10 - 40g on most marketplaces (check if you don’t believe me). Within the next month or two it will be £10 for a 1000+. This is without GDKP.
Please try and understand how the wow economy functions, I am not wrong at all. As illustrated by how you have regurgitated everything I have just told you and drawn the entirely incorrect conclusion because you’re blinded by your hate for GDKP.
GDKP in his nature, forces people to : 1) Farm the hell out of them for gold or 2) …swipe the credit card from 3rd party websites. And so, if the demands is there, farmers will push the “limit” and farm MORE gold to handle the demand and so , producing “raw gold”. There is no option 3 or 4 or 5. Just two options. Solo farm or swipe credit card. That’s it.
Thanks for pointing exactly where you are coming from.
No more “questions” …
PS: Crying that there is inflation (how?) after 1 week is idiocracy.
No, it doesn’t. Raw gold can only produced via questing/vendoring items/cash drops etc. GDKP produces no more of this than any other raid would.
GDKP forces people to farm gold to attend them
There is nothing wrong with this whatsoever as in a normal economy where players are farming their own gold there will not be the level of inflation seen on ERA or SoD. Prices on GDKP will reflect the value of gold in the economy, in the same was an rare or epic item would on the AH. It is really amazing how economically illiterate the people on this forum are.
Swiping
Swiping does not produce raw gold. It is buying raw gold produced by bots in massive quantities. As I have now state many times, take meaningful action against botting and punish RMT and you will seriously help tackle this problem. Banning GDKP doesn’t accomplish anything here. It’s a distraction for the smooth brains who don’t understand game economics.
Crying inflation (how) after one week
Because of bots, I explained all of this many times. If you’re IQ is too low to understand simply economic principles, please do not reply further, it’s getting tiresome.
I’m happy one person understand that no GDKP is a distraction for Blizzard to do nothiny vs the BOTs in 2 weeks will see x1000 Rogue’s in BRD pickpocketing 24 hours a day, adding millions of raw gold into the Economy.
Not to add all the Gishing bots. Herbalists and Miners who glitch or map hack to get all nodes. The bigger the server the more the BOTs abuse layering to make more gold. Like you said in one to two months the price of everything will inflate hard because of the raw gold they will pump into the game.
I just said I’m sad to see it get banned because all the positives about the loot systems and was trying to make the point that the ban had very little to do with RMT or fairness and its just a fake PR move to make it look like they are doing something when they are not. Its like the Mian’s doing more sacrifices when there was a century long drout. It didn’t make it rain and made the problem worse. When you don’t understand a problem your solutions will be useless
If its as bad as people say, why do all the Asain versions of WoW get to keep it whilst we lose it? Because those Communities would just quit without it so Blizzard leaves it in for them but not for the players who want it here. Gold inflation will be justvas bad on our Servers because like you pointed out, the BOTs is what add the raw gold into the economy and the loot systam has very little to do with RMT.
It’s a lie so people who don’t like it get to feel comfortable.
Have you conducted an A/B test with a server with GDKP raids and another one without to fully prove that GDKPs have zero impact on gold inflation?
Because you are basically discounting the demand side of things and simply describing supply → Yes, bots are a massive problem. But if you can get loot by having tons of disposable gold, that is also a massive problem.
You Still refuse to answer the question I asked about 5-6 of your replies ago.
What’s a likelihood of a character with not a top gear of Phase 1 in Cata to get into Firelands without being required to pay gold? You can use mine as reference (atlasforge.gg/wow-cataclysm/armory/eu/mirage-raceway/kiryaa)
gdpk will be unbanned. it is just too stupid to keep that ban. how otherwise am i supposed to get raid gear if i dont have a raid spot in a guild. i believe people will du gdkp anyway and there will be no punishments. its just stupid to punish people for playing the game in their preferred way
that’s the neat part, since we only have megaservers, there’s a huge amount of choice, you can pick one of the multiple guilds out there, if a guild is not willing to give you a spot, you find a guild that does
And do tell, if you’re going to buy gear from other people, how are you going to farm the absurd gold values that each bid goes for? you prefer to break the ToS to get your gold or maybe you have a preference to farm for a full month just to get carried by a group of other players and buy the gear from them?
honestly, it’s a bad look for the game
unfortunately I don’t have a “fix” for the high end issue, when most raider geared their mains out, if they don’t wish to gear alts there’s no reason for them to do any raiding
Why would you go into naxx if you have all the gear? We are talking about the fresh servers that will go forwards into tbc, there wont be plenty of people who have all the naxx gear before the prepatch at the earliest, and also someone in AQ40 gear will easily deal close to as much damage as someone in Naxx gear the gear dosnt get that much better between tiers in vanilla.
I personally have seen people be banned (short bans but still) from trying to even offer to buy gear from someone else if they get reported. Unless all the people are happy with how the run went and have found a way to deal with the automated detection they will get banned.
Its stupid to play the game in a way that incentivizes cheating
GDKP shows current realm gold level on players which is shocking to some. If a player can do a ZG and get 2000 gold or more that’s more than crazy. If there is less gold in the economy then a GDKP would yield 200 gold for example. It’s all % of what’s in the economy.
Many people don’t really want to do those raids as often the loot is terrible and they don’t also want to do loot councils or other nonsense with insecure “officers”. It’s also used to gear alts. Get few thousands from BWL GDKP to then join on alt and quickly gear it with latest gear. This was quite apparent during TBC that was designed to gear up starting with first tier - yet players really wanted to skip it.
And we also had “GDKP is bad because it’s to expensive” - a fresh 70 WAR in greens wanted second TBC tier full set 5 weeks since tier release. GDKP too expensive, PUGs require preexisting gear which he did not had, and he did not wanted to gear in first tier because “he dreamed about this full set”. People are selfish and will optimize how they get gear.
And even on PvE reams where there was less traffic, less gold in the economy and rather no/very few GDKP people got salty when Blizzard banned Strat bots because mats on AH dried up and prices increased. Bots in short term give cheaper AH but in long term way more gold - and Blizzard isn’t banning bots faster enough to make the initial game purchase and sub non-profitable for them.
And it’s rather obvious some GDKP participants would RMT.
How do you say I buy gold without saying I buy gold… Already now GMs are on the servers keeping an eye on things, you can bet that GDKP enjoyers will get punished, maybe not banned but bliz can take away the gear and gold you got in a gdkp
I don’t think I am discounting the impact of GDKP on demand, I have said it does increase demand. However, demand will always exist and always has done prior to the widespread popularity of GDKP.
Whilst we don’t have an A/B server to compare, running alongside each other on a similar timeline. We do have SoD and ERA. GDKP exists on ERA and was banned early on in SoD, yet the economy in SoD was still (and Is still) terribly inflated.
I think what is annoying people about my comments is that I’m treating the demand aspect as less important, but ultimately that’s because in the case of wow it sort of is. If Blizzard really cracked down on bots to such an extent that it was difficult for them to operate profitably (could only really be done via manual intervention) then regardless of demand it will help the inflation issue, because the supply side simply won’t be there at the same cope and even low amounts of gold would be expensive Vs time to farm yourself as the player.
My cynical opinion is that Blizzard enjoys the current situation with bots, regular ban waves bot owners can anticipate and plan for, allowing Blizzard to make some money from the bots without totally acquiescing to them.
I fully agree on this mate, and I also see GDKPs being a very legit loot system in a botless server.
But then again, if you ban bots, then there is a lot less items in the AH and things get more expensive lol I have seen this complaint by several players on discord.
Maybe bots AND GDKPs co-existing together with regular raids and players is the best and most sustainable habitat for everyone → I do not believe this, but I am open to entertain anything at this point lol
What you have said here is also very valid and true, a lack of bots can lead to a shortage of material supply especially with a lot of players used to the availability of bot farmed materials.
I think this is one of the best arguments for wow token to be honest. Especially from Blizzards perspective as a business they can keep income from bots whilst also implementing an effective price control on how much gold can be devalued. As whatever Blizzard sets the price for = the worth of the gold. Gold sellers cannot charge more and are forced to charge less regardless of stock.
Obviously this normalises pricing and does nothing to actually combat bots (and it contributed to gold inflation), but it does make botting less profitable and less attractive. It also disrupts the other RMT ecosystems like for boosters from third world countries whom sells their earned gold for real world currency, if the demand for illicit gold is lower as can be bought from Blizzard and direct and they also cannot influence the prices then it naturally leads to less of them too.
Downside as you point out, is the normalisation of swiping. But I think an argument can be made that it is already extremely normalized within the classic community.
If also allows at least, some gold to leave the economy in terms of being used for game time, how much this really impacts slowing gold inflation I don’t know, as I don’t play retail.
I personally don’t find it surprising that over 1 week into ERA fresh now that $=G conversion is favourable place suddenly every second level 20 something is running around in full BoE blues and prices are rising every day. We all know at least 50% of the playerbase swipe regularly. I pulled that stat out my bum but I think its probably a solid guesstimate
