My solution to Casual progession

So facts mean nothing? You really have an odd way of thinking.

Maybe be less combative with people who don’t share your views. I have no problem that you want these things, I’m speaking for what I want or need.

I know many use ‘LFR Hero’ as an insulting term. I just embrace it. I have no interest in guilds or raiding these days. I find it rather freeing to not care about those things any more. Nor do I get insulted if people called me that, I am just an LFR player after all.

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You claiming something is not a fact.
Sorry.

Yes, you can feel any way you want about it. I have no problem with that.
I just think you’re being disingenuous about the reasons WHY you have that opinion.

Fair enough. I don’t.

My characters are there for you to see. It is not me claiming. The data is there. It is a fact that I don’t do heroic raiding.

Then why post on some alt? If you have nothing to hide…

You keep spinning this to “having fun” because it’s easier to defend, but fact is you want gear rewards that are equal to people who do hard content without doing the hard content.

This game offers very high ilvl (197) rewards to people who don’t want to do anything in the game. It’s ilvl almost on par with normal raid rewards.

Even if we say it is, the content is far too trivial.

Imagine if there was an instance that awarded gear and also maybe if they add special tokens like valor points to it to upgrade it…oh wait.

I’ve seen many complaints on this forum, but yours is the most entitled one, as you literally want to avoid everything remotely challenging in this game, but to get rewards as people who actually practice and put in time and skill and organize themselves, you want the same as them via some world quest or something.

I am sorry I can’t get behind that mentality. Always for me, gear upgrades = harder content. How can you complain if you avoid literally everything challenging that awards gear?

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Oh you’re one of those (Edit. as in: who put more weight to the avatar than the message) … but here I’ve told this many many times over many years:

This is the character I used to trade on vanilla with. It was the only character I have used on the forums since vanilla. Therefore I never felt the need to change it. I also have never hid that my rogue is my main. The people that know me on this forum know me as Shopkeeper (the ones that pay more attention to me know about my rogue). Heck you and I have conversed on this forum before… never seen you have a problem with it.

It’s actually sad that when people show you everything and are upfront you still feel the need to be this suspicious. Has life or the internet really treated you THAT badly?

The open world gearing system is already good atm!

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No. People like YOU keep spinning this.
I haven’t talked about ilvl. At all.

That’s NOT very high though.

Elitist view of the content I enjoy.
It’s not any less of a type of content than what you enjoy doing.
But you feel the need to downplay or ridicule my prefered way of playing the game for what reason? To feed your fragile ego? Is that really it?

No it’s not. That’s just your opinion.

Solo.

Not group content that doesn’t even allow you to queue up.

If you think wanting to have fun in a game is entitled, your view is all kinds of distorted.

You keep saying it as if it’s true. But it’s not.
You’re being stubborn and narrowminded.

I can’t get behind your elitist mentality.
Not now, not ever. It’s wrong.

Agree to disagree. Simple as that.
I just don’t agree with that sentiment.

“More effort”, sure. Not “harder content”.

How can you care what someone else gets in a game. How can you be so petty?
Mind your own business. Get a grip. :man_shrugging:t4:

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Be quiet elitist.

I don’t have a problem with you.
I just don’t believe your reasons are genuine.
Why does that matter to you? Just drop it and we’ll both be on our merry way.

Yes.

For someone who openly said “I quit”, you’re still very active here!

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Be quiet elitist.

I’m free to speak!

I never said I want you to not have fun. I just think your style of play is not deserving of the gear equal to people who invest effort to overcome hard content in this game.

Hard content awards better gear. Invest effort to overcome this content and you will get your awards. Not wanting to invest this effort means you don’t really want that better gear.

Trivializing gearing should not be the path Blizzard takes. In order for gear to be meaningful as a reward, it has to be gated by content that requires skill and effort to overcome.

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Monke telling people to be quiet in hope a intern will read his “ideas”.

Well that IS what you’re saying by suggesting I should do things I don’t like.

Yes it does.

No. I’m not doing that because that’s not FUN.
I just told you, and you said you agreed, that I just want to have fun.
I’m willing to invest effort into the content I enjoy. Lots of effort in fact.
But I’m NOT willing to do stuff I loathe just for gear.

I never suggested anything of the sort.

Disagree with that. That doesn’t make it meaningful in the slightest.
It just makes it limited for people who like certain content.
That’s not meaningful.

I mean, I completely support Blizzard in removing welfare loot!

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Well to be honest then, you should probably just quit the game.

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Because I don’t want to conform to what YOU deem ‘the way you SHOULD play the game’?

Wow. I guess we’re done talking because that is just wrong on so many levels.

Casual players getting casual rewards feels perfectly fine to me. Hell, as much as I loved Legion, the fact that my random alts just doing world content could somehow end up with higher ilvl than my raiding characters just felt pretty damn awful.

I’m pretty casual myself these days but I have friends who do higher level content, and I don’t really feel ‘left behind’ when I compare our ilvls and realize that they are like 20-30 ilvls further than I am. They do tons of content, I do very little of it. They get the gear they worked for while I don’t because I didn’t bother. They get their legendaries much sooner, they get achievements much sooner, they progress much further.

That said, while upgrading Covenant gear further does sounds interesting as a concept, I definitely don’t agree with it having the same ilvl as normal CN loot. It just doesn’t feel fair to people who do raids, really.

For me the disappointment is the lack of solo friendly progression. BfA had non-rated Conquest gear that went up to Heroic raid ilvl and in 8.3 we had Visions gear progression up to lower Mythic raid ilvl. So far in SL we’re stuck with Normal raid ilvl.

I know, WoW was conceived as an mmo designed for group end-game content… but why add an M+ type solo gear progression system in 8.3 only to strip out solo progression almost entirely in 9.0?

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