orc axe specialization (which is way better for warriors btw) is being given to you as well. don’t try to be cheeky.
ah my mistake, you’re right, so a bit less-so useful, but again, that’s not really what makes this racial stand out as good.
think about it, bleeds are the only dot type that has no counterplay from other utility classses.
poisons, diseases, curses, magic - all these can be easily removed by paladins, shamans, druids and priests, but bleeds is the one dot type nobody can get rid of.
i am aware that bleed damage is usually insignificant, but its the stealth prevention that makes bleeds good, since most bleeds last a whopping 30 seconds or more.
Bloodfury looks good on paper, but if you actually read the tooltip carefully the 25% attack power increase is BASE attack power - meaning it ignores any and all attack power you gain from gearing, talents and other sources - its flat base attack power only, which means a lvl 60 orc will get a dps increase of like 8… yes 8.
pet damage… are we really gonna be petty now? this racial is useless to half the classes available to orc, which is kinda funny.
i guarantee you that the first thing non-hunter/warlock orcs will do is go swap that for a weapon skill racial if the game allows it.
(since we’re still not 100% sure how the weapon skill > passive racial swaps are going to work in practice its hard to speculate).
one thing is for sure though; trolls is going to be the new king of pve, nobody will even come close. berserking + weapon skill vastly outmatches anything any other race can bring for pve… so much so, that i fear they might nerf berserking.
it does have an “internal CD” if that’s what you want to call it.
i tested it. its 25%, FLAT. hardcoded. no buts or ifs.
sample size was like 400 kidney/cheap shots.
you need to remember that diminishing returns is a thing. its not always the pesky hardiness that screws your stun over.
i wouldn’t be bothered by this, just like i am not overtly bothered by the omegabuff they just gave to shadowmeld… it would only go to prove once and for all that its not horde racials that are “holding alliance back” as they seem to be convinced of.
many horde players would welcome this idea, as they wouldn’t hesitate to grab stoneform, perception, escape artist and shadowmeld for themselves.
honestly i would say be careful what you wish for, because you might just get it.
for sure, stoneform guarantee a vanish (when CD is up), there are many rogues who are okay to play without stoneform and they play well. Stoneform isn’t really important.
Orc’s 3 impactful racials still better than dwarf stoneform
here it is →
Orc hardiness shows as “resist” where as DR shows as “immune”. Not hard to figure out which is which.
And no, hardiness has no internal cd.
during testing stuns were randomly dodged and parried as well, btw. and those were discounted.
i strictly counted “resists” only in my footage and disqualified any and all "immune"s.
I played horde from 2004 to 2019 and had all the pvp titles available. I also mostly played orc.
I just don’t like bs and can admit that hardiness is uncomparable to any other racial and is overpowered.
i never said hardiness was bad though, i said other racials are also good.
people are putting hardiness on a pedestal it doesn’t deserve to sit on.
say that to an alliance warrior 
resist on charge’s stun is the worst
i feel like dismissing stoneform as “unimportant” as in; “insignificant” as a rogue is a pretty bad move… a bad handyman is one who blames his tools (or refuses to use them).
i use it in full
what i say is not everybody really care about it
there is only 5-10% dwarf rogues players in alliance
i play dwarf for the “swagg”, mainly
its not really a balance issue if people are sleeping on stoneform, thats an individual player-skill issue.
like i dunno what to tell you here man.
if i had a dwarf rogue, this racial would be part of my “oh #”& button" bar, top row.
Finally somebody understand Shadowmeld is good for PvP. Usually people laughing about it. Well, before Chimera crits him in a face ofc.
stoneform is not enough, give hardiness to dwarves for the fairplay (and it’s RP compatible)
fine. if we can have stoneform in return that’s cool with me.
the only issue i have with it is the homogenization aspect.
i don’t like to have racials essentially be available to everyone “free for all” style because at that point they’re simply not “racial” anymore which removes some much needed flavor from the game.
if i recall, homogenization of races and classes is also one of the major complaints people tend to make about retail… if everyone is super, nobody is super.
lowkey best racial in the game right now and people are sleeping on it so hard its amazing.
i love using shadowmeld with my Nelf warrior too
i think Blizz should:
- give hardiness to dwarves
- give shadowmeld to trolls
→ without removing it from orc/nelf
no but shadowmeld for trolls is a better compromise, in my opinion (and RP compatible)
I know why. Because its hard to use it offensively. Its very good for defending a flag for AB, but it will not frustrate rogues on stun resist or something like this. If people get shot by hunter they just think about how hunters are OP (they are not), but they probably don’t understand where they came from and how many stacks of Sniper Training did he have. So it’s kinda less obvious thing. But night elves should have something strong anyway, because it’s worse racials in a game besides Shadowmeld trick.
see now we’re starting to nitpick. and that’s going to be an issue going forward with this discussion because that’s not a fair trade in my book.
sniper training will probably not last in its current incarnation once blizzard wakes up to the fact that this new version of the rune basically takes shadowmeld from meme status to omega broken status.
blizzard is usually a couple of weeks behind the playerbase in terms of these things, so just give it a week or two and aggrend will likely personally address it in a tweet or something.
nelves are about to be fuming.
i know i would, because its never nice to have a cool toy given to you only for it to be taken away…
i am not even that bothered. i say let nelves keep this sort of bonus, at least for now.
the biggest issue of sniper training is that its almost built specifically for bot ‘players’… i mean, rewarding standing still is pretty peak bot design.
SoD is too new and miss the balance
i prefer to talk about this in a Vanilla base POV
- give hardiness to dwarves
- give shadowmeld to trolls
→ without removing it from orc/nelf
it’s a good formula (maybe trolls and Nelf should share all the same racials ? )