People seem to be down on TBC?

Yes gankers always have skill, duh, why didnt i think about that! Oh wait, no they dont they either 2v1 or attack when your mid fight with a mob. A true 1v1 in wpvp is a rare thing, a very rare thing indeed. This would happen with or without flying, variety of stealth options out there or charges or grips to close the gap or stop your mount summon.

Erm, not quite, if you are gonna play pvp then you probably took engineering and got yourself a nice cloak parachute (or other slow fall) then you just fly a little above and BOOM, then pop the slow before you land. Depending on factors this can result in a nice insta kill, also WQ not in TBC/Wrath, at least not as they are in retail.

You can decide to engage, what is this warmode? If you’re on a pvp server then its going to happen, regardless of your field of view.

I have seen plenty of healthy wpvp in flying zones, you do understand that with flying you can utilise the environment even more and have players on high ground nearby to take down those who mount up? The pro’s and con’s work both ways to the attackers/defenders, its just a case of using your brain to create advantageous situations for your team! If you want the easy kill then thats just sad.
I’ve seen plently of wpvp in vanilla zones with level 70/80’s as well, Tanaris, Southshore and STV are always popular spots to start something. I remember being able to get on the roof of the cage in Tanaris, advantage me. Or the roof in Darkshire, advantage me - flying or no flying!

So no
Flying didnt kill world pvp, it altered the battlefield sure but it didnt remove it
It just required a change of approach.

I like TBC it fixed allot of class and gear problems.

Shame there are just those few things holding it back (resilience stat, flying, making old content redundant)

True lol, no doubt about that. Maybe it’s time to put #nochanges into trashcan when/if tbc arrives and do something about it. Can’t really see no other way around it.

Frankly, I’m not 100% convinced. I mean, yes the average player will go Horde for pve and pvp alike. And if I were a hardcore pve player, I’d still go Horde - at least Horde has fuctioning ret paladins, Berserk and other stuff.

But if I went in primarily for the pvp (BG/Arena, not wPvP)… wouldn’t it make more sense to go Alliance? You’d get instant queues (which, as we now know, also means more chance to make premades AND dodge other premades), and some of the Alliance racials, such as Perception, are rly strong in Arena.

What am I missing here? (It’s a genuine question btw, I’m willing to be proven wrong on this one^^ Just wondering)

Have you seen alliance pugs in classic? If you enjoy losing 99% then sure go for instant queues… i rather wait in queue than lose all the time or suck premade leaders… you know what.
If solo bg isn’t possibility, faction ain’t for me, i ain’t got no time nor will to spam only premades to be able to join bg whenever i choose.

What’s the difference between joining a premade and joining a guild for guildraids (instead of pugs)?

Premades run like 12 hours a day spamming bg’s, have strict requirements with what rank you gotta have before joining, mounts etc.

Guilds you have the raid day(s), couple hours, requirements vary from needing certain spec and consumables.

Basically with bg premade you are always going going going, and guilds are chill unless you join in some super hardcore tryhard top guild.

In Classic, maybe. TBC doesn’t require anywhere as big of a requirement. You basically only need to run BGs for the marks you need to buy the off-set stuff. Other than that, the real competition is in arenas. But even then, you don’t really need to play too hard unless you’re aiming rly high.

I wouldn’t expect TBC PvP guilds to require as big of a time investment as Classic ones.

True since they scrapped the rank system, but i still don’t find any reason to roll ally, you’d be forced to play pve server (because obviously massive incoming imbalance), you’ll have REALLY bad pugs in bg’s… and why would you need alliance for arena anyway?

Well if you roll Horde, be ready to use your PvE items for belt/boots/bracer/jewelry/back slots because I doubt you’ll be able to get the required marks and honor from BGs in a reasonable time^^

Why not? In retail there has always been like 10-20min queues for random bg’s for horde. Didn’t stop anyone 13 or so years ago, nor ever since.

With TBC and Wotlk they’d have to have faction specific queues and it will still be an issue.

Maybe megaservers would be the best option for TBC and Wotlk, long term especially.

Basic notification. Let’s fight against the under employed crew managing the Warden.

Jeez how will we even be able to endure this during TBC with arenas. No chat allowed at all, aka 100% censorship or report. Is this League of Lolcraft?

Yeah, I’ve seen the same too. Kinda ironic that Classic fanboys are the new “you think you do but you don’t” squad.

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Heh, tell me about it. It’s both hilarious and tragic thing to watch.

Hm i agree you would have instan queues. But i m not sure that is a good thing cause it requires you to spam BGs and Arenas without any break. I think even now it s much harder to rank as Alliance cause you have literally no downtime and you constantly need to zerg AV. But that s just my opinion:)

Why would you have to? TBC doesn’t have honor ranks

Oooo no i tougth you were reffering to classic with queue post… my bad

The thing I don’t like about TBC is flying and that high lvl players are basically cut-off the Azertoh, which includes 2 continents with tons of zones and other players and Outland doesn’t feel like a big world, unlike Azeroth

I would very much like to see TBC again:)
I think blizzard did a fine job with classic, but I will always prefer tbc.

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