That’s just a fantasy, not a reality.
Yes, it’s called The Burning Crusade.
You are extremely wrong, I had epic battles, for example I had lots of Arathi Basin ended with 1990-2k or something like that, it is something that you will never have, or very rarely, against other organized premade as a solo player.
No, I’m not wrong. Thinking people start with equal chance to win is a fantasy. Expecting people to abandon their honor farm to make the game more entertaining for you is a fantasy.
What you had in Vanilla is different to Classic. Classic will never be Vanilla, the playerbase isn’t the same. The only way Classic could ever be like Vanilla, is if it was played solely by people that have never played WoW (or any other modern MMO) before.
I disagree, you have more chance to win as a pug vs enemy pug than as a pug vs enemy premade, I have like 600k kills in my account on all my characters combined and the most fun I had is in solo queue battlegrounds against other pugs. Most of the times the battles are really balanced, I rarely stomped random enemy pug team or got stomped by an enemy team as a pug, I cant tell the same when I face premades whole day every day.
I understand that and there’s nothing we can do and it is a shame, maybe some kind of system that premades have more chance to fight against other premades or something like that, I know for sure that this situation is not bad just for me, I know many friends who are thinking the same thing, that facing premades all the time every day as a pug is not really funny.
In vanilla there wasnt premade vs pugs all the time.In vanilla we didnt had that stupid av version.In vanilla the guards were hitting a lot of dmg you couldnt sneak in ironforge with ur rogues and pretend horde are superior.Same as av the npc’s were stronger.But we play nerfed version now .Nerfed version=horde wins
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I don’t think that’s an extraordinary claim in any way so I accept your claim that there where less premades in Vanilla.
With that said. That’s a player behaviour. Classic is not a recreation of how people used to play a game. It’s a recreation of 2006 World of Warcraft based on patch 1.12.1 with progressive content. People play the game differently today. That doesnt mean the game should be changed even more though.
After all the 1000 posts of premades vs pugs problem.There is not even 1 blue post to say if should be fixed or it cant fixed.Since people wanted vanilla and blizzard start the little adventure with the nostalrius guys and make the classic official cause we been ‘‘heared’’ why they didnt try to get the 2006 aspect of the game as it was in a damn private server(example Nostalrius).To eat the excuse that the game its not played the same as it used to?I respect your opinion man but this is something that comes from you not from blue post.Blizzard dont care to give vanilla the #nochanges was the biggest troll in gaming history.This is world of discord not warcraft.Open the game from the game folder and click the credits button.The people who are in the credits are not in the same seats of blizzard as they used to be and others not in blizzard.To me all this vanilla fiesta was to make the game seem bad with poor excuses and then proceed to tbc to squiz more money.I understand the fact people have more information with wowhead but what blizzard did to fix these problems.Nothing.Flamelash?Nothing.Premade vs pug?Nothing.Any blue posts to admit mistakes or fix something?Nothing.Divide and conquer.
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Stop trolling, Simple.
I don’t care what you consider yourself to be, point is that no’lifers have hijacked the PvP Battlegrounds (AB/WSG) and a fix to premades are in order.
Again only a fool would defend this, which you undoubtedly
have proven yourself to be.
Yes you are.
We are not playing it wrong, AB/WSG is about Premades graveyard farming pugs and that is the only thing that is wrong. So logically it requires a fix.
Only a fool would think otherwise or a no’lifer with selfish goals.
We are not demanding that they fix what isn’t broken, only that they fix what is broken(AB/WSG Premade).
Good in that case you agree they shouldn’t listen to a Vocal minority such as yourself. Glad we agree on something.
Context. Learn to read properly.
What are you babbling about, stop inventing reasons as to why a simple fix to abusive AB/WSG Premade can’t happen. It can and it should, simple as that.
Your amateur game design philosophy is subjective drivel.
Stop typing nonsense. I don’t care about what you think is possible when all that is required here is a simple fix.
What people want is clear for everyone to see if they open their eyes, i.e a fix to WSG/AB Premades. You’re living in the past, i’m talking about the present moment where the problem is.
How exactly is that better, when in a majority of the AB/WSG games pugs are being graveyard farmed by Premade no’lifers. You have truly proven yourself to be selfish.
Truth.
Yes they are, only someone in deep denial won’t be able to see it such as yourself(But blizzard will as they gather data, thankfully).
We are not 15-30 stop inventing numbers, i’ve gotten more upvotes than all you trolls combined over multiple threads and there are likewise multiple threads demanding the same thing, a fix to AB/WSG premade.
There’s just a few persistant amateur philosophers such as yourself in every thread trying desperately to hide their true intentions behind amateur philosophical arguments about what the game is and isn’t supposed to be(ridiculous).
The simple fact is that you like to farm pugs for easy honor to your pvp rewards, otherwise you wouldn’t be against the suggested fixes as they are objectively for the better.
I didn’t miss anything, most fans are casuals, i.e people that play a few hours a day(and not every day) and can’t grind pugs like the no’lifers do the whole day.
You have confused fans with no’lifer. As been said multiple times already, this game wasn’t made for you(No’lifer).
Maybe it is you that should find a different game or make one yourself that better suits your no’life activities, as you don’t want the game to be enjoyable for fans, but only for an unemployed elitist minority.
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Telling you how to deal with YOUR problem isn’t trolling.
You’re looking at it the wrong way. “hardcore no lifers” haven’t hijacked anything, they’re playing their game as intended. It’s you that’s trying to hijack it because you want to play solo instead of part of a team.
A fool would be somebody that expects the world to revolve around themselves. To play a game that they know is old, a game that they know to be a recreation, and yet still expect it to get changed to suit themselves. Someone like you.
Yeah, you are.
If 90% of your games are against premades, that means that 90% of games FOR premades are also against premades. If that is the case, then perhaps AB/WSG isn’t actually all about farming puggers, as you so claim?
Maybe the actual fix is for puggers to grow up and play the same way as everyone else, instead of demanding that everybody play the same as them?
Throw what ever insults you want, little man. You’re basically the same as that kid in school who throws all the toys everywhere because the other kids don’t want to play the same game as them.
That isn’t broken.
What is broken is your mentality. Blizzard can’t fix that.
I’m glad I chose to compare you to a child, using one’s own words is exactly how a child would respond in an argument. Perhaps next you wish to add “I know you are but what am I”?
I did read properly. Perhaps you’re just simply incapable of expressing yourself correctly?
It can, it shouldn’t and it wont. Simple as that.
As is your entire posting history.
I’m not typing nonsense. You’re not getting Vanilla back.
No amount of crying or insulting me is going to change that. No amount of changes to the game is going to change that. Nothing will, you’re simply not getting Vanilla back.
That’s not what everybody wants at all. If that were what everybody wanted, you wouldn’t be met with such heavy resistance. If that was what everybody wanted, more people would be on the forums speaking up, instead of around 30 of you.
The majority of premades aren’t “nolifers”. Most of them are trade chat pugs. They’re just people with better co-ordination than you.
They are people that adapted, as you should. And no, as I said earlier: if 90% of games are against premades, 90% of games for premades are also against premades.
That means that your “pug vs premade” games are a mere 10%. I dont know where you learned math, but 10% isn’t a majority.
I did, it’s called “WoW classic”. Remember all those years ago when people talked about how the old game used to be more hardcore? Well, maybe they were right.
If you want to play a few hours a week, WoW classic certainly can accomodate you. If you want to play a few hours a week yet still be on par with people that play regularly? Then you’re either going to have to play retail, or wait for WoTLK.
And no, the “fans” were always the people who intended to play and intended to play properly. The people that have been playing properly for god knows how many years. Blizzard wanted the private server community to return to Classic, not to cannibalise on their retail community.
Yeah and dealing with you ppl on several forums across many games (not wow though, stopped with vanilla).
Just leaves me with 
have a nice day.
Readers are grown up enough (hopefully) to make up their own mind.
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Kind of hard to take a guy seriously that literally lives in the forums, turbo autist Miylee the premade defender, what a life ahahah
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You have not told us anything useful or relevant, all you do here is Troll/or type made up reasons as to why the much needed fix to AB/WSG shouldn’t happen.
Like i said, you’re cluttering up the Thread, stop being pathetic. As you’ve noticed only a few people are replying back to you as most seems to have ignored the gibberish that you type. Can’t blame them.
I’m guessing even that you could be the same person as the Troll(Beware) early in the thread, more ‘‘composed’’ without the insults but nonetheless fails to touch the topic and tries to derail it with made up drivel and numbers, the latter proving the dishonest nature of your post clearly for everyone to see.
It is not how it was intended, as Blizzard did not want their games to be unsuccessful. You are a fool to believe otherwise like proven so many times already.
Back then it worked as intended because the gamer culture was different, today it doesn’t and it needs a fix as it is i’ll-adapted. A majority is thus requesting it, only a minority #NO change (that you beloing to) doesn’t.
Glad we both agree you are fool then.
Old doesn’t mean sensible changes or improvements won’t happen, obsolete stuff that isn’t working and is detrimental to the game/playerbase , i.e AB/WSG Premade needs fixing, simple as that.
Besides Blizzard have already changed stuff so you are dead wrong again, unable to adapt to reality. What a surprise Mr/Mrs Troll.
Not at all, again you only type nonsense as to be expected.
It only means that casuals are quitting pvp(topic) because there is no point playing when unemployed no’lifers have hijacked these Battlegrounds.
But this is what you fail to understand, not because they (premades) are the 90% but because they play 24/7 thus with few numbers(a minority) still being excessive overrepresented, to the point normal people with a few hours per day can’t enjoy the game and simply have stopped queuing(Topic).
You mean abandon their jobs, families friends for a virtual world, thankfully the world is not there yet. Most seems to have healthy habbits, thus why change needs to happen, so that the majority of fans do not suffer to an unhealthy addicted minority like yourself(yes tell more lies about you not being that, lol).
These are not insults, only your subjective mind perceive it so since you’re in deep denial about the only objective truth here, that AB/WSG Premade is a problem and needs fixing. Thus why you can’t provide a single factual point and mostly type made up drivel, excuses as why a fix shouldn’t happen.
I’m actually being helpful to you even though unfortunately you do not seem to have the intelligence to grasp it.
P.S. Oh and i’m not a ‘’ little man’', on the contrary physically imposing, how bold would you be when not hiding behind your computer screen, i wonder. ‘‘little girl’’, maybe?
How ironic. Yes fix your broken mentality please so that the majority can enjoy Battlegrounds, as this likely won’t happen is the reason why a fix is needed and again why the majority is speaking up against you.
Again expected troll answer. My words needs to be repeated, they are factual, relevant and to the point. You are cluttering the thread with gibberish and faulty conclusions so repetition of the logical is required to combat the illogical.
Although i must admit i’m getting close to the ‘‘ignore’’ mode as most seems to have done with you. You are simply not worth the time, Mr/Mrs troll.
Yes you are mostly typing nonsense, sad you’re unable to see it yourself.
There is not crying or insults here only sensible suggestions to real problem with PVP Premade in AB/WSG that needs a fix(other than saying the obvious about people such as yourself)
I guess you are a Blizzard employee in a position to take such a decision, can you be more delusional? This single answer of yours, explains everything that we need to know about you. i.e you can’t be taken seriously.
There is no heavy reistance, only the same Vocal minority like yourself cluttering up every Thread, you do not have numbers, we do.
We are not 30, only in this thread the amount of upvotes i got is more than all you trolls have got combined, the amount of people speaking up outnumbers you dramatically.
You simply are not able to graps facts mr Troll. But Blizzard probably will and needs to make changes accordingly to save the current miserable Premade AB/WSG killing the fun for us fans. The many can’t be sacrificed for the few, that again you belong to( I know you’re delusional about it, but that doesn’t change cold facts)
Lol, better co-ordination, you type so much nonsense i find it actually fun to read.
It’s simply a matter of time, people that live in the virtual world have the time/rank to form these groups and farm pugs. Casuals do not and if they do won’t be efficent at it due to logical time contraints of a normal human being with a social life & real life responsibilities.
We just want to enjoy the otherwise fun battlegrounds, as we would and remembered from vanilla. that is impossible right now. Only fools like i said or selfish people will defend Premades in their current form.
Fyi, most of these griefers will concede a fight when up against another better premade as they just want honor/hour. I’ve spoken too many of them in-game and these high rankers would actually prefer pugs and a fair environment if it wasn’t detrimental for their honor/hour. It was never about the Premades even for them.
Pugs is vital to the casual experience, without it people will quit and there is no way around it. I know as a selfish person you do not care, and want them to leave you’r nerd haven alone, but again why should the many suffer for the few( due to activity/hours, not numbers) that have hijhacked the system. Makes no sense at all, fix asap is the only correct thing to do.
Vanilla did not have this absurd Premade problem , so your point is again invalid.
What people remember from vanilla and what we got right now are two completely different things, a fix to Premade would only make it in line with what people remembered from back then, it was fun and certainly superior to the crapshow we got right now in AB/WSG Premades. Also funny how you move the goalpost when it suits you. You posting history is contradictory.
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Keep it Short and Simple (KISS Principle)
Another reason to keep things short and simple is that it makes them easier to recall. If you want people to remember what you have told them at a later date, then it needs to have good write/read capability (like computers). Simplicity helps a lot with this, although making it memorable also may also be helped with careful other factors such as alliteration or rhyming.
‘KISS’ sometimes also means ‘Keep It Simple, Stupid!’. While this has some shock value and hence may be remembered, it is not necessarily a persuasive framing. ‘Keep It Short and Simple’ is often a more acceptable format.
Sorry, Friday and bored at work 
Lol. The vast majority of the player base plays Classic in the guilds (PvE statics). So, what the problem to form premade with guildmates?
Times pass EU whiners and freeloaders not change.
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The guy speaks like he is blizzard.99% of the people in the forums speak like they are blizzard and some defend them like blizzard itself dont have a voice xD
What is fun and fair and what makes people quit or not quit is irrelevant. Classic is a recreation of a game. You either like it or you don’t.
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‘‘recreation’’ k
Yes, not a replica but a recreation.
An advise, change work. I love my work and the team that I have to cooperate with. I thinl this is why I threat Warcraft as a game and you don’t
premade vs pug it’s a biggest trash what you can find in this game, same with pug without healers vs pug with 5 paladins/priests and 10 warriors…
i know what:
90% R13/14 premade rankers never play bg after getting rank (because rank its just achievement for this people)
90% R10 solo que players never stop play bg because they play just for fun, and blue PvP set enought for this
also i know what:
this is social game… make you own premade… bla bla bla… i want just blizzard post about this, post what stop all talks about premades
from blizzard! not from nolifers what find fun in 24/7 graveyard farming
where is any blizzard feedback? or zero feedback means what they like all this situation, and they fix just real problems like a av premades and wsg spy
blizzard pls say! STOP CRY! THIS IS MMORPG! MAKE YOU OWN PREMADE! NOOBS!