False. Puggers are a minority because premading (even badly) is the most efficient hph. If you change the system, you change the most efficient hph and thus, you change the game. There is no magic “everything is fixed and fair for everyone” button.
Bye then. If this was a selling point for you, you shouldn’t have been on Classic to begin with. Try playing again towards the end of the year when honor gear is inferior to raid gear, when less people care about efficient hph farming.
Although, then you’re just going to get 1shot by aq40 raiders, so you can’t win there either.
Would you play the game instead of spendig your whole life in the wow forums you would know that any decent premade would still be miles ahead of pug players honorwise, the only thing that would change is that pug players are able to play the game at all. And it feel a lot more than real vanilla.
It’s next to impossible to rank up at this point, unless you commit all your time to the game. A lot of people are playing seemingly 24/7 due to Corona isolation, anyone who is not premading atm, just doesn’t stand a chance at getting rank 10 at least on my server.
Outside of the AV weekend, the queues range from 50 minutes to 1 hour 15 minutes long and WSG and AB results in you getting farmed by premades 8 times out of 10. So currently, gaming all day (not always possible due to DCs and getting thrown into server queue if it happens during afternoon) is basically the only way I can even out pace my decay to make progress towards rank 10 at the moment.
Getting even 20k honor a day, can be around 5-6 hour task and large part of the time is spent waiting for a queue. And 20k a day is nowhere near enough to get into 6 of the higher rank brackets.
I was initially looking forward to all the BGs and doing some PVP up to rank 10, but it’s just not currently plausible. Finding premades as anything other than mage/druid/healer is really difficult, especially during the hours I play. At the same time solo play isn’t feasible due to long queue times and endless premades.
Maybe it’ll be less intensive once things go back to normal and people don’t have so much time on their hands, but as of now, it’s just not worth it. Time to unsub until something changes or TBC comes out.
And if you spent more time listening to what people are saying rather than spouting your little “make the game fair” rhetoric, you’d know that private servers already attemped your idea and it didn’t work the way you wanted it to.
And no, nothing will make the game “feel” more like Vanilla, because your version of Vanilla was just that, a feeling. And feelings are different for everybody.
Your feeling, your version of Vanilla, is different to somebody else’s and it’s impossible to recreate them both.
Part of the problem why you will almost always run into premades as a PUG player is because you don’t actually play PVP against other premades but concede to get back to GY camping pugs quicker. Original vanilla had so many more gamemasters actively moderating the game and this is likely to be considered wintrading.
They also seem to be “nice” which is a completely idiotic idea if they don’t want to provide extensive supervision, in any other game if someone used an exploit that was patched like MCing people of BGs entrance their PVP progress would be wiped off.
You already agreed that Classic is not a recreation of vanilla in another thread. Or are you now able to answer how serverwide queues without battlegroups, disabled wsg portals, legion raid frames, 10x bigger seevers, a clock and layering are recreating 2006 World of Warcraft?
Why do people like you say nothing about the 500 terrible changes that Blizzard already did to the game and drifted it away from vanilla but spend 6 hours every day to fight against a change that would make the game playable to a lot of players without getting farmed at the graveyard in 29 of 30 games? Everyone who played vanilla knows that there never was a anything close to the premade epidemic we have right now and a change that actually recreates the vanilla experience wouldn’t hurt after the 500 weird changes about which you are ironically silent.
It’s not. I have answered you this already. The few things things you list here are not authentic to Vanilla retail. They are changes. I don’t like that very much. I didn’t ask for that.
They don’t affect premeds though, so it’s a straw man argument…
Because they don’t affect premeds, that is the topic here. What change in Classic have forced people to choose to play in more premades?
Because you are asking for a custom change with unknown results that have never existed in this game to recreate an arbitrary personal experience,
Ok but that is because people play the game in a different way. Not because the game is different…
YOUR argument, not mine, is that just because there are other unrelated changes in Classic, that now makes your custom change valid.
So the only thing you want the game to recreate is premades stomping pugs? You don’t care about anything else? Interesting. At least we know where you are coming from now.
No, you already admitted 2 minutes ago that the only thing you care about is that premades can continue to stomp pugs and I quoted it. You never said anything about drastic changes like layering or serverwide queues without battlegrounds because you couldn’t care less about changes or the game at all. The only thing you care about is to be able to farm pugs on the graveyard.
Because they don’t affect premades that is the topic.
And for you information. I made probably a hundred post arguing and fighting against Sharding/Layering. I didn’t’ argue against cross realm battlegrounds, if that is what you mean, because it was party of Vanilla retail and are necessary for Classic. I’m not a fan of the one mega region wide battlegroup though. But that doesn’t affect premades either. I have never defended it.
I have actually never played a single premade in Classic so you are wrong about what my agenda is.
I can tell you again what my reason is for arguing against you.
I love Classic as it is. It’s the best game in the world. I don’t want changes. I want all other unrelated changes to be removed if possible.
If Blizzard ever gives in and make any custom change just because the community ask for it, then suddenly all changes become valid. So I will fight and argue against ALL changes no matter what! Even when it hurts me.
I agree with you. The pvp system is bad game design. It’s not fair and fun when premades gank pugs. I agreeeeeee! I hurts me to because I don’t play premades. I enjoy random pug bgs also.
Another lie. Vanilla had a server only queue for 90% of its lifespan. After that there was a system with small battlegroups which mostly had the population of one of the big servers today. The queue system we have right now has nothing to do wth vanilla.
The rest of your post is just a try to save your face but I already exposed you multiple times so there is no more point and doing it over and over again. I wish you best of luck with the only thing you care about in Classic: Premades being able to stomp pugs on the graveyard.
Ok so it’s not a lie then? It was part of Vanilla retail…
It’s a Straw Man argument though. This is your argument you are trying to refuse, again. I think it’s the 7th time to something for you specifically.
Yes, Vanilla retail had much smaller battlegroups. I agree, this is a change. I would like for Blizzard to make smaller battlegroups.
This doesn’t affect premades though. You would still meet the same amount of premades no matter how big the battlegroup is. The only difference is how many different players you meet.
Like what? I don’t play premades and I agree that the system is unfair and not fun for solo players.
How have you exposed me? I have exposed your own straw man arguemtn many times, but how do you believe you have exposed me? My opinions and beliefs are very simple and clear. I can repeat them if you want.
I just told you before that I don’t care about premades and don’t play premades… Do you even read my posts?
People that play premade don t really want a challange…they don t wanna play PREMADE VS PREMADE. they wann play PREMADE vs PUG. That is why they get so angry when we talk about PREMADE VS PREMADE only. They want easy wins, easy rank…stop pretending you are competitive or stuff…when you get premade vs premade and you lose the first engage you go and bend(lose fast), so maybe next game you can find a pug that you can farm.
I never said that they dont want to farm honor tho. Farming honor means easy fast wins vs pugs not competitive pvp gaming against other premades
edit: Because when it gets competitive, we all know that you bend at the first sight of losing the game. It s all about wich teams has more time to farm more pugs. Classic pvp scene summed up
Even if they made it premade vs premade, the new meta would be the same as premading is now. Which is whoever loses the first fight basically concedes and lets the other win as quick as possible.
Either that or they’ll abuse the new system to make it work in their favour.