You do realise that if every game you pug ends up against a premade, that premades then face the same odds, right?
Premades can’t scout each other any more.
That’s exactly what will happen.
I don t have a answer for this issue tbh, i m just giving my opinion about this subject and the pvp state of the game
The answer is simple: accept that Classic is how it is. Wait it out, the premading meta will die down drastically when the honor gear isn’t BiS any more.
There will still be premades during Naxx, but not as many. I can’t see a huge amount of people wanting to grind 10 hours a day for gear that’s worse than their 2-4 hour Naxx run.
Then they might as well make premades only face premades since they meet premades almost all the time, and leave pugs in their own queue.
If they did that im sure many more randoms would start queue for BG’s again, i think many have left those BG’s because of premades atm.
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Or they might as well just not bother.
Why would you ask Blizzard to create an entire new system that seperates people? Wasn’t seperating people through various modes something you people hated about retail?
That isn’t important and isn’t a good enough reason to devote time and resources to changing an aspect of the game that doesn’t need changing.
Why i would ask blizzard to make BG’s better… ???
and i have no idea what you are talking about retail, but why bring that up ?
Its not important to get more to play BG’s and probably not lose subs ?.
Your reasoning makes no sense to me.
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“Better” for you is “worse” for someone else.
Because retail is the game that Blizzard use for experimenting with new systems. Seperating pugs and premades would require a new system, which would require testing.
I imagine it would be similar to the EXP-OFF queue.
Correct, that isn’t important at all.
Getting Classic was a lot of hard work. Not just by Blizzard, but by the community. We finally get it, and you want to change a niche game to get “more casuals”.
Did you know that retail is in the state that it’s in so that Blizzard could get more casuals? If you want things changed to suit you, play retail.
Worse for who ? the premades ? how can it be worse for premades to meet premades ? ohh you mean they want to GY camp pug’s that is really great right ?
No it wont, they already did some with AV, its not hard to put in a party queuing up only meet another party, why do you think that is hard ?, but never the less it should be fixed
You say it is not important, i say it is.
No it have nothing to do with that, wotlk was also for ‘casuals’ and had the most subs ever, its amazing wow have been going on for so long.
i think retail is so low on subs because of bad decisions since WoD with no flight for one, and not fixing dead factions/servers, not because they cater to casuals, that is just your opinion, btw there was always alot more casuals subs than ‘elite’ subs.
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Premades ALREADY face premades. If you alter the system, you alter the meta. How many times have I told you now that changing the meta just means people will move into what ever is the most efficient HPH?
No, they didn’t. With AV they made it possible to sign up with a party, and removed game numbers so that people couldn’t just wait to all join the same number.
That wasn’t a new system.
Furthermore, fixing AV is exactly why you have the AB/WSG premade meta in the first place.
And what you say is irrelevant.
WoTLK did indeed have the most subs, it was also the turning point of the game and was what lead us down the path of random dungeon finder and completely ignoring every other player.
Then you think wrong. WoTLK was the start of the spiral downfall of retail.
And that is what blizzard need to fix, they can always add more honor to premade bg’s, its very simple
No fixing AV just moved the problem to AB/WSG’s so far, and now blizzard just need to Fix that by changing how premade’s match up with other pvp’ers
And what you say is irrelevant.
Or maybe new games and the fact wow is not new anymore made it less popular too, i dont believe the reason for it to be in the state it is in, is because of casuals, if anything, its casuals that keep it alive, and there have always been more causlas in wow.
And i think you are wrong.
so to sum up, i think Blizzard should do something about premade bg’s because it is the worst system as it is right now for PuG’s and it will in no way hurt premades unless their goal is to GY camp PuG’s.
No, it isn’t very simple at all.
If you add more honor to premades, then solo rankers simply can’t compete with honor.
The ONLY possible way that “solo bracket” could work is if BGs were split like this:
- Normal queue, what we have now. Sign up by yourself or as a team and play the way you do now.
- Honorless queue. Solo play only, play the game for fun but receive 0 honor and 0 rep.
No, they don’t. The “problem” you’re referring to is the ranking system, a system people ASKED for when they asked for Classic. If you don’t like it, wait for TBC or play retail.
What I say is accurate and isn’t diluted by emotions. Nor is it hindered by “I wants” and “what ifs”.
I don’t refer to retails state as “poor because poor subs”. Subs is irrelevant in terms of gameplay. Retail is a game that has tried to cater to everyone.
Classic is a niche game that caters to a few, instead of as many as possible. If you change Classic to cater to as many as possible, then there’s no point in Classic’s existance.
And again, you think wrong.
And to sum it up more accurately, Blizzard should do nothing and you should play a game that better caters to you.
Classic isn’t one size fits all.
Solo rankers cant compete with premades anyway, i dont think they have hopes of getting rank 14 doing solo queues, i know i dont, might go for rank 10 which is still possible with that solution, and if you really want high rank, you join a premade, simple.
I dont know what you try to say here, but what people asked for what exactly, who ever it is you talk about, its most likely the ones in premades, if there even was anyone asking for a ranking system when asking for classic, which seems strange, since it was in the game, its not like they would take the ranking system out of the game in classic ?
Seems like it is emotions you display when you say, that what i say is ‘irrelevant’ i never said anything about you until you said what i should or should not talk about or do.
If retail had 10m subs, you would not have said what a crappy state it was in, it goes hand in hand with subs.
Likewise.
I play what i want, and so far i just play AV’s occasionally, havent done much pvp.
and blizzard should fix problems, it would be a mistake not to fix problems.
yes classic is not for everyone.
Yes, they can.
Most people don’t have any hopes of getting to rank 14, premade or not.
Rank 10 solo is perfectly do-able. Your change would actually make it even more difficult.
Everybody who asked for Classic asked for the ranking system, it is a core part of the Classic game.
If you only wanted parts of Classic, then maybe the words “You think you do, but you don’t” applied to you.
Hardly. I write without a change in my face. I write what I know to be true, because what Classic is is a matter of fact, and not a matter of opinion. I write things as they are, and as they will be. Not what they could be or what I want them to be.
False. I was very critical of Wrath back in the day, I knew what path the game would head with it’s multiple modes and accessibility.
Your train of thought is limited, mine isn’t.
“Fixing” problems that don’t exist is a mistake. I’ve told you around 5 times now, better for some is worse for others.
I offered the only possible fix for a “solo” queue in the other thread. All of your “solutions” are nothing more than kicking a can down the street.
Edit, turns out it was in this thread, you just ignored it. Here:
0 reward queue. You wanted to play for “fun”, right?
It would be really really hard, like 24/7 pvp. i bet if they were that hardcore they would join a premade, i guess that is why there is more premades now than back then, easier to coordinate these days.
True, and some of those that dont go for high rank, solo queue, not all, but some do.
Maybe it will, but if someone really want rank 10 and cant do it solo queeing, they join a premade.
They got that system, fixing premade’s, is not changing the ranking system.
Well what you say that i show emotions and you do not, it was still you that told me my opinions was irrelevant first, no ones opinions are irrelevant, why even say that if you all you want to do is make an argument unless you cant handle arguments.
ok but i still dont agree why retail is in whatever state you think it is in.
dosnt seem like it.
And i told you around the same amount of times there is a problem and should be fixed.
It is not the only possible solution, its just what suits you best, my suggestion is much better imo.
What suits me is no changes at all.
The solution ive given is that you get to play against solo players only, you get no premades. My solution also means that the honor grind meta doesn’t change.
Your solution means that the honor grind meta DOES change and you still don’t get your “fair and fun” games.
Your solution changes the Meta just as much since pugs cant achieve honor anymore, that is a change, so your fix do also change the system
My solution also changes how it used to be, give more honor to premades and let premades only meet premades…
Doesn’t change the meta at all. If pugs want honor, they play a normal game. If pugs don’t want honor, they play the honorless “fun” game.
No, it doesn’t.
You’re asking to change the honor grind meta, I’m offering a “no meta change, but still “fun” game” solution.
…OR maybe you simply don’t want your fun games after all, and just want to be able to compete for honor without putting effort into teaming up with people?
How cute.
PuG’s always got honor, so yes it is a change with your solution, i dont know how you can say its not a change?.
‘how cute’ yes indeed you have no emotions whatsoever, no one would say that if all they wanted to do was to argue why they think what they do.
your solution is a metachange when PuG’s cant obtain honor, that is by definition a change.
compete for honor as a solo queuer’ getting less honor, means competing vs non hardcore players, because those that want to compete for high rankings would and are doing premades.
Because a PuG still has the CHOICE to play in the honor queue. The honor queue wouldn’t change, you’d be able to sign up solo or as a team.
The difference is that the 0 honor queue would be solo only.
“How cute” is an expression of sarcasm.
Except PuGs CAN still farm honor. They’d just have to continue playing as normal.
It also means that the trade-chat premades can no longer compete for honor, so they’d have to go to pugs. It also means that people can’t play with friends, so they’d have to go to hardcore premade queues.
Your method was already attempted and private servers and it didn’t work.
Premades is just as much a choice if not more so, because you would have to get a group to do it.
Its an expression of an emotion from your side.
and i think PuGging is normal play too.
No it means they can continue as before with more honor from premades as i suggested.
Link me anything of my method used on private servers, or did you just make that up on the spot ?