If both factions could premade, it’d be fine…
But only one faction could premade.
Even in TBC horde had to wait 15mins or so as a premade for AV , you can premade AV as horde in classic but people wont bother the que as they did in TBC . Even when premades where available in classic for AV , alliance and horde winrate was 50/50 for both . Now its 90% for horde unless youtryhard and let all your energy be drained to lead the game to pull off a win.
Because av is fine atm? The queue time differencr is to big. Alliance dont have a chance of getting a reasonable win loss ràtio when horde need to wait 1h in queue.
It cant increase more than those elites that do premades to gain high ranks, so there will always be ranks to be reached by casuals.
Btw now i read 8 pages of that link you gave me to nostalrius, and it seems more also hates premades vs pug’s than they like it, why did you even link it ? most seem to agree that premades should not meet pug’s, did you even read it yourself ?
Half? you exaggerate, btw in the link to nostalrius forum, there was one poster that had the same opinion as me, its better with some afk’ers that both sides will have than meeting a premade and go afk at GY until its game over, afk’ers can be reported, and they will not reach alot of honor.
Since i think my solution is better, then using ‘my definition’ my solution is right.
If you can say its wrong using ‘my definition’, i can say it is right compared to yours.
It will make BG’s better for more people than it is now, thats kicking the can up the road…
And it is completely fine to complain about afk’ers if its a problem.
You have shown me absolutely nothing so far.
why do you reply to that? im ok with you saying its not how the game is played anymore, i just think blizzard need to keep up with how people play the game now then, like fixing the premade problem.
If there is a new problem, then blizzard have to try and fix it if possible, but the way it looks it will be a lesser problem than letting premades meet pug’s
But its better not to fix problems if there is a chance a new problem arises ?, its almost like saying, do not fix problems.
They do not have a chance to compete with elitists unless they do the same as the elitist anyway, that is not a new problem.
Waiting out problems to fix themself, which they probably wont, is not a ‘solution’ i want.
I rather have blizzard fix premades than waiting it out, because i dont think it will end with better gear in raids, i think many of those doing bg’s for ranks dont raid, and i doubt they’ll start raiding with Naxx, maybe a few will, there is always some that wants to try something ‘new’.
You are just proving my point with your straw man argument.
I am against any change because people like you will use that change as argument to implement more changes.
You are doing it right now.
I dont want anymore changes , if there was a way figured out for av premade in vanilla before tbc , people would have made av premades. Classic wow is a recreation of wow vanilla there shouldnt be any changes , av premades is to be expected in classic wow since it was a thing in TBC and is a good enough of a proof that premades could have been a thing back then . Classic wow is to be expected in 2020 with AV premades , only difference this time is people didnt use 3rd party programs like Perform AV enabler to make premades .
The whole point of the " recreation " of wow classic is for it to be more social interaction , so thats the excuse of people using premades for ab and wsg , they say its a " social " game , make your own premade ! Just because a specific faction has long ques doesnt mean they cant make a premade. Horde couldve made premades too and wait for 40min ques since they are gonna wait 40min ques as solo anyways. People using " social " as an excuse is just ironic and contradicting the whole purpose .
what’s so bad about having to play an actual computer game against people who aren’t AFK at their GY?
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So you think that current state od av is fair for both factions? Lul
I just Hope that Blizzard will release tbc asap so i could play Some actuall pvp
give this guy an award for the kekpost of the month 
no, in fact i don’t think so. the map layout clearly favors alliance, but the reason horde wins is because we are much more willing to compete for that win, whereas alliance players go “just let them win” the second someone tags SH gy 2-5 minutes into the game.
you know what happens to horde players with this attitude? people spit on them and tell them to go back to retail and start making your-momma-jokes.
in other words; we publicly shame them, whereas you shame the people who wants to put in an effort to win.
you can see how, naturally, this results in severe losses for your side.
Solo players wont ever be able to compete with hardcore premaders no matter the system, but giving people MORE honor for their premade queue makes the difference between them much greater.
As with this forum, most people using it do so to express their frustrations. If you base a game purely on it’s forums, then every game is broken and bad.
I linked you that thread as proof that private servers did attempt your seperate queue idea; you asked for proof.
Yes, I did. I also took past information into account. Did you know that premading was a worse issue on private servers than it is here? On private servers, premades could essentially scout each other using alt accounts, since everybody was on the same server. They could also send a single person in the battleground to check if they matched against a premade, then dodge the match.
Neither of those can be done here, so premades still have to face one another.
No, I don’t. There’s a lot of AFKers and leechers around.
If you truly believe that reporting AFKers will accomplish anything, then you’re new to this board and never saw the rank 12 botters.
Nostalrius couldn’t properly monitor AFKers, botters and leechers on a single server, how do you expect Blizzard to manage?
Your solution is to screw everybody over just so that you don’t have to join a premade. That’s not a solution, that’s self destruction.
No, it wont. It’ll make battlegrounds better for a few forum whiners. It’ll make battlegrounds better for the top percentage of premaders. It’ll make battlegrounds far worse for everybody else.
I proposed two solutions. One that genuinely makes the game better for you forum whiners (the 0-honor battlegrounds) and one that leaves us where we are now: do nothing.
So you want to trade one problem for another because the second problem isn’t an issue for you? That’s incredibly selfish.
Then try reading what I’m saying to you. I’ve done you the curtousy of actually hearing you out, do me the curtousy of actually reading what I’m saying instead of reading one line and then shaking your head saying “no no no no no that doesn’t benefit me at all”.
No, Blizzard don’t need to look at what people are doing now and then trying to change it to make them play more like the people of old. What Blizzard need to do now is look at this premade whining and then say “We told you you wouldn’t like Classic. You think you do, but you dont”.
Or, Blizzard could do nothing because we dont have a problem.
We don’t have a problem. If you don’t like an aspect of the game, you’re playing the game wrong.
Either play something better suited to you, or join a premade yourself.
Except your solution also means that casuals now have to compete with bots and leechers too.
Premades play for honor, not because “spending hundreds of gold to stomp noobs is fun”. When the gear is no longer BiS, less people will want it. It’s a simple fact of the modern playerbase.
And I don’t care what solution you want. You actually just want to watch the world around you burn just so you can be happy.
And even if you got what you want, you still wouldn’t be happy.
Nothing will change about this subject, the conclusion is simple. let the guys without a job or real life(who canplay together 10+hours a day) to dominate bgs brackets and ruin the fun for normal players with normal life. Thats how things work in video games
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I get it why blizzard doesn t do “No lifer vs no lifer” and “casual vs casual” cause it will be unfair for the no lifer, he shouldnt be punished for playing the game more
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I think we are doomed. Fun while it lasted but yeah… time to move on.
I used to play Vanilla and got rank 14 back in the days .
We barely meet any premades back then.
Today pvp is broken.
I would like to express my feelings with words but i better dont or i would be banned.
No more Classic for me… i will find some other games instead.
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Completely agree VANILLA was never this toxic change it to premade vs premade already please stop this toxic Premade destroying PUGS already i know i keep posting hating PREMADES but i did yesterday run into only like 2/3 out of maybe 8 i wasnt to fussed so premades don’t bother me but this morning i have ran into 7 in a row now and now i CBA to play and my motivation for playing is getting less and less.
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Bigger distance between them in honor, not in ranks, the ranks is made up of % of the pvp participation doing 15+ kills a week afaik, so what specific are you against here?
i asked for proof that it failed, no where in that thread did i see any of that, only same disagreements as here, and most that hate premade facing pug’s just as here, so nothing changed about if its better or not.
and ? i dont know what you want to say with this ? it do not say that premades here is not a problem, just because they cant scout out others here as you say?.
There is always a lot of leechers, but not half, that is an exaggeration, i have yet to be in a bg where half was afk unless facing a premade as far as i remember.
i never expect blizzard to manage anything fast, but i hope they will ban them when they find out who was ‘cheating’ and remove rewards they got from it.
you solution is to screw even more over, that is not a solution, ‘my’ solution imo is making the game better.
No it wont make bg’s better for the top, they cant meet pugs anymore for free honor making life horrible for pug’s.
Who is a forum whiner? you ?
and no i already explained that is not a solution with 0 honor, you complain that ‘my’ solution will make the top teams get a bigger gap to the pug’s, your solution giving 0 honor is making that gap 0 for pug’s to ranking premades, your solution contradict what you said earlier.
since you are against ‘my’ solution because it will make the gap between pug’s vs premades to big, your solution is definitely making that gap max.
You are selfish for not wanting blizzard to fix a problem, if any new problems comes, i hope blizzard will fix it, doing nothing about problems is just stupid.
as i have read the link you pointed me to and read and listen to what you said, maybe you should stop shaking your head instead ?
you have shown me NOTHING that change my mind about premades so far.
so adapting the game to how it is used by players is not a good idea?, sorry but that do not make sense to me.
Looking at the forum seeing so many different people here and in US forums complaining about that seems to be a problem, it is not a problem just because you say it isnt.
Or maybe there is a problem, which i and many others think there is, and to queue solo for bg’s is not playing the game wrong.
i bet they like that more than facing premades, and they can report them, eventually blizzard will get to them, and hopefully remove the rewards they might have gotten for cheating, also they risk getting permanent ban’s if they have done it before.
yes they play for honor, i say let them, but not vs pug’s which is totally a crappy experience for pug’s.
I dont know why you think it would be so bad to let solo players have fun.
I know i would queue for AB/wsg again if it meant i dont meet premades anymore.
Miylee’s reasoning is that if you split the queue into a solo/small group queue and a raid queue that players will exploit that and you won’t be able to react further.
We’ve seen two examples (that Miylee references all the time for other reasons) that prove this is of course not the case. AV premade fix and battleground scout fix. Both of those were flawed in their original implementation and were then refined to work. They now work great, and they have made the game better.
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to think we can’t do the same with a split queue system except some arbitrary goal to “not change the honor meta” which is a silly goal. The honor meta isn’t a single indicator for how well the game represents vanilla. Even if it was then it would still not be a reason to not change it because the honor meta is vastly different at the moment.
I would, I shouldn’t have to form a premade every time I want to PvP.
It’s pretty much why I only raid log nowadays, PvP is ruined due to all the tryhards/no lives in classic.
This is very true, once the alliance loses the first push… they give up instantly as we’ve got barely any queue.
Whilst the horde has a long queue, so it’s all about honor per hour for them instead of actual PvP.
You think farming honor is easy, and that you just roll pugs all day?
As Horde ranker, I can tell you this is not my experience.
Early in the week, you will face tough premades all day long, and lose a fair amount of them, despite it you have to keep pushing or fall behind and add weeks to your grind.
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