Only a conscious effort to learn can cure stupid. Good luck.
well if everyone else I am competing with in my faction get’s owned 9/10 times it doesn’t matter at all.
Ok for a moment let’s entertain the idea of 2 seperate queues:
what do you think the rankers will do? I can tell you for certain they won’t do the premade queue. Not because “oh they can’t win in equal settings and just want free wins”, but because there is a more time efficient way for honor, probably by queueing as 5 people in the “solo-q” with several groups at the same time to end up in the same AB together.
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Even if the que is up to 5 people , it should bring back some challenge (by the way 5 man premades should face other 5 man premades as well) , allowing full premades vs pugs is just silly, there is no point.
as for your second point, you can play any game and finish it within lets say 24 hours “normally” , you can cheat and end within a couple of hours, it is certainly more efficient (as time goes) does not mean that you are not removing any challenge.
Going vs up to 5 premades would still be a vast improvement and provide some chances of winning
on that we agree, good luck to you 2
You really shouldn’t entertain that dumb idea.
Let’s instead illustrate 3 distinctly separate ways the matchmaking can work, in terms of unit sizes.
- The one where everybody can only queue solo. Flaws have been pointed out in full display already with this.
- The one we have now, where you can queue as anything from 1 to a full premade (except for AV, but for the sake of this illustration just disregard AV.)
- Where you can ONLY queue as a full premade.
So far, with the way people who seems to want the game to be adjusted to them with this separation of queues, is that “most people are doing premades”.
The simplest solution, and therefore probably the most stable solution, would be to just disable options 1 and 2. Because it’s the perceived inferiority of getting randomly matchmade with other people on the same team compared to those only getting their enemies randomly matchmade that’s the driving factor for this incessant whining.
Because if you limit it to only full premades, then you won’t get the whining about how it’s “unfair that they’re a premade while I thought this was a solo game, hurrdurr”, and you’d also get rid of the inherent toxicity of xrealm matchmaking.
(See https://www.projecthorseshoe.com/reports/featured/ph18r8.htm if you wish to know more about why it’s ultimately toxic.)
This would prevent the many flaws of “splitting the queues up” and also prevents the many flaws of having an “only solo” queue with no other option. It would stay true to the fundamental purpose of Vanilla which was to “bring people together” for a social experience, which can be seen in many underlying design choices all over the place.
Which, according to the people whining about it, premades are apparently everywhere, so following that claim then option nr. 3 would work better for the majority of players. It would also further motivate even more players to group up in premades, since that’d be the only option to get the many PvP rewards.
While, if they would go with option 1 or 2 there’d be those extreme amounts of problems, social anonymity and toxicity running rampant, and also making everyone who wants to play as a premade very upset. And since the “premades are the majority”, it would make no sense to change the game’s design for that “very tiny minority” while pissing off the “vast majority”.
Totally agree with the pointm that having an only premade queue would definitely be the fairest way for games overall.
I don’t think it would be a perfect solution, but I don’t think that’s what you’re advocating here for. But as to people complaing about the unfairness of BGs they really should want that option.
Then you’d get discord servers again like the AV ones, where people queue in 5 man groups and if only 2 of those groups end up in the same bg it’s a 10 man premade, that can easily dictate the game versus the “pug” group. Not to mention it’d increase q times by a lot if 5 man groups have to find 5 man grps, 3 man groups 3 man groups, etc. but that what you’d need if you wanted to make it more “fair”.
A “perfect” solution might not exist.
Just would like to add the challenge back and throttle the roflstomps , plus IMO it makes no sense to pit premades vs pugs (as stated time and again)
Even if disco servers popped up (I do not doubt it but people tend to not bother if they are are not full guild runs / premades ) it would be way more fair than the current system
IMO I do not think people would mind having 5 and 8 minutes ques and more if they are to have a fair game (as much as possible that is) as it will be way better than having 1-3 minute ques that end up 9/10 being vs premades
Well you can pug vs premades if you want a challenge 
I know it’s been said time and time again, but if you want more fair games, then why don’t you attempt to run in a premade yourself?
If I listen to the forums it’s 90% premades anyways so they have to face other premades just as much following this logic. So why would you punish the ones that actually put in the time to form premades or getting a spot in them? If you think about it in a different way it is a “fair” system, since evryone has the same chances in game to get into on of the premades. Of course you might not have the time necassiry, but this is just a personal problem, not of the game itself.
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That is not a challenge , that is a exercise in futility.
Cause not everyone has the time nor will to form premades , and IMO one should not have to , if the bgs were for premades only I would get it , but since both premades and pugs are available I do not see any reason why pugs would go vs premades.
I do not wish to punish premades, just wish the game would match them with other premades , thus making it a fair match as not doing that ends up in one sided roflstomp matches.
I think that the problem lies with the matchmaking system, and practically that is all I am saying that I would like to see that improved as to allow for interesting (and as fair as possible) matches
That’s a you-problem, not a game problem. Since so many people complaining about premades claims it’s the vast majority of their matches, it means the ones without the time to do it yet still interested in “PvP”, are the very tiny minority.
Ok great, so you also want them to remove the option to queue solo and only allow full premades to queue for BGs since that’s ultimately the most fair as a game design according to your line of reasoning, instead of this sloppy mess.
The ones who can’t will just have to accept it, like you said you would.
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there are too many people like me , thus why you see so many posts. Do not change it and see how quickly the already dwindling pop keeps declining (that is if you play classic as I see your 120 level priest.
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really ? is that what you got from all this , ok I get it you are desperate to keep roflstomp pugs as it can prolly be the only way you win , cool enough.
3)and those who will not accept it will get tired and give up , some have already done so , and I see more every day.
Again : I got it , you adore premade vs pugs , now you can stop being ludicrous in defending the ludicrous match ups, you can simply be honest and state that you enjoy free wins with no effort , nothing wrong about it , I know people that will not play games if they can not cheat and breeze through.
But the thing is you ARE punishing premades with such a change, in hurting their ability to push hph.
And yeah if you don’t have the time for premades then noone is forcing you to participate in them. I’d even go as far as to say that premades deserve the advantage they have because of the time and commitment they put into it beforehand. If I am in a raid without world buffs and a different player of gear and skill has them, I don’t complain, that he is doing more damage than me, because he put his time into it outside of the raid.
I know it might sound like a farfetched camparission, but i hope you can follow it.
There are very few like yourself, there’s just a lot of repetition by the few “people like yourself”. The vast majority, according to you few people, are happily playing the game as it is while not caring about the forums.
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The classic WoW forums is not an accurate representation of the overall playerbase by any means tho.
Ok , just watch the pop dwindle further , and wonder why , but you play on retain so why are you here again ?
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Many people do not just bother with forums and simply walk away , that is a growing trend.
And no I do not believe that I would be punishing premades by forcing them to play against their equals (premades vs premades ) its like patching a exploit , you do not “punish” people that used it to farm gold easier than they should for example, you are just fixing something that negated the difficulty of it
anyhow I stated my opinion I think it is redundant to say more than IMO premades should only face premades (or at least 9/10 times)
You’re mistaking a correlation to be the cause, as in the complaints exist now while many people have been leaving the game, so you assume it’s causational.
Google ‘correlation vs. causation’ to learn more about it.
You like google so much.
Well I have chatted with some people that gave up the majority due to this mess, some went back to retail (like you) others simply walked away from wow again.
You believe what you will, again : we will not see eye to eye, keep defending easy roflstomp wins as you seem to be desperate to keep them going (most people that use some sort of exploit or another do so , proven time and again) see how well it goes for the entire game.
Quicker for me to refer you to Google than to try to explain basic things to you. You’ve already shown over and over again that you struggle to grasp concepts you’re presented with.