Mate you just can’t see past your entitlement, it’s as simple as that, your judgement is clouded by a simple equiation which is "argument benefits me? yes = valid argument - no = invalid argument. It’s a generational thing. If you can’t see the can of worms bringing more changes to the game would open, it’s simply because you’re only interested in your own experience and disregard others. That’s typical selfish human behaviour and thus very common on this forum.
Technically it wasn’t. Because there are more time gates on everything. First example of that being the time it takes to lvl up.
I said more effort, not more skill. Although it takes more skill to play your class well in classic than in retail, due to more risk/reward choices and not all choices in the builds are good for almost everything, unlike retail. In retail, skill is more from how you deal with what you’re facing, instead of having a high skill ceiling in the class mastery.
Still doesn’t seem like you actually read posts.
Okay, that all i need to know.I need apologize to monkeys because i thought you are on the same level with them, guess i was wrong.Keep living in your own world
Seems like you never learn. Anything. I basically said the difficulty of retail is placed externally of the class in the gameplay, while it’s the other way around in Classic.
Which it is.
Aeternum, there should be only one criteria if a change should be done or not. That’s, the majority of us, WoW Classic players having fun (in long term run). Fu ck everything else.
Make Premades facing Premades, and give them bonus honor.
PS: is it a fact that almost all games in WSG are premade vs pug? Is it beacause premades scout and avoid playing against other premades?
No, scouting is no longer possible. It’s just because the vast majority of players queueing up for WSG are doing the smart thing and queueing as a group. Also notice my emphasis on the word majority to answer yourself about the reasonable changes criteria.
Can anyone else confirm that? With so many players being exalted in AV, I would expect much more casual players in WSG.
Also you said “Maybe on your low pop pve server” (about Vanilla premade bs pug frequency). Thats not my experience at all. At least not in Arathi Basin. Not even 1/3 games were against premades.
Yes, premades should face premades ONLY. This is the top 1 change that has to be implemented to make WSG (and AB in future) enjoyable for the rest of us non-neckbeards. Not everyone is a sadomasochist and enjoys being raped and farmed by organized premades every time.
Also, i don’t understand how this will affect any of you saying #NO to this. Don’t you want a bigger challenge too? Then fight the other premades instead of rank 1-7 noobs.
#whatafckdupworld
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Just queue up for a wsg and see for yourself if you can see your opponents name prior to them having 10 players already in. The only reason you’re facing mostly premades after last patch is simply because there is a majority of them queueing up.
Other changes will need to be made then, and then more changes, and then more changes, and then more changes. I know it’s impossible to reason with people that feel at a loss. Ego.
No, I don’t play premades and I don’t care about them. I just want the game to remain as close as possible to the original without turning into another retail version of the game with lvl 60 cap. That’s what inevitably will happen if changes continue being applied. Obviously as stated, people that feel at a loss are too clouded to see the bigger picture or the end of the road past their own personal experience and vision of the game. You just want what’s on your interest in this point in time and can’t be bothered thinking about the consequences in the long run. The only consequences you think of are the ones that affect you. You must be special.
Sorry but too much has already changed to keep saying #nochanges
I don’t see how something that doesn’t affect you, affects you? It’s like you are here to say NO to anything just to say no. And this is exactly whats wrong with the world at this moment, all these #meetoo’s and vegans and sht…makes me puke
I have already explained why I’m not for any changes at all and provided loads of arguments on multiple threads justifying it, shall I repeat myself over and over just because your “at loss” feeling prevents you from acknowledging it? You’re right, too much has been changed already and it’s been more than enough and in some cases very detrimental to the game, so it’s time to put an end to it rather then taking the train to lvl60 cap retail.
For all the people saying; get used to it, or something along the lines of blaming a solo player for having a problem with this, Who made you the voice of reason?
And anyone who can sit there and be like,
“Oh yeah well, then organise a Premade?”
Or
“The game does not cater to
You gtfo casual”
Since when was an option to Premade in the game ever initiated? Let’s look and see! Oh yeah dungeon finder came out, battleground finder, which is now used in modern retail, blizzard shouldn’t cater to anyone but what is problematic in the game.
Maybe blizzard should prepare an ingame
Announcement saying your at huge disadvantage every time
You join without 9 other
People wearing epics and using a microphone…
To anyone who is actually saying that the whole min-max is player based and that it’s your own fault for not creating your own Premade.in order to win games, or min max your odds, really needs to
and get a life; if you can’t win a game without 8 other
People on discord; who are
Completely maxed out stomping on pugs it’s not a win, your not a winner. Your just a try hard…
Anyone doing this kinda stuff in classic is ruining the game
For
Them selves and for
Others… taking advantage of a game mechanic and using it to “win” battle grounds.
Will blizzard fix it? Probably not…
Do premades require one ounce of skill? no.
Does sitting all
Day looking for the best elite team mates to stomp pugs make you someone worth
Bragging about nope…
I won’t be coming back to
Read this thread cause I
Really don’t give a care in the world
For what anyone else thinks! 
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Your writing sucks donkeyb***s, but the “option to premade” i.e. to join as a raid (in other words with more than only 4 other people), was in the game from vanilla. And this is the recreation of that game.
As for its pros and cons, it’s as explained earlier in the thread. It’s just that the vocal ones are the ones dissatisfied with it. While the ones satisfied with it are happy with the way things are and see no reason to come and whine about it like you’re doing.
I’m just glad they put in a countermeasure for scouting. Premades shouldn’t dodge other premades, that’s just cowardly.
So, are you saying that players that have a goal such as reaching a high rank should be forced to only group with other pugs on environments where most players can’t play properly when they have the choice that was provided to them by design to group up with other like minded players and just reach for those ranks in a more efficient way? Why would anyone chose the hard road? And are you the true voice of reason then? Or just someone that feels at loss and can’t see past his own loss and disregards what could be other people’s loss?
Haha; I’m taking time to whine about it?
That’s kinda hilarious because I spent literally 4 minutes on the toilet at work writing this. I’m thankful for your feedback. Please tell me more about your views which I am about to
Totally disregard! 
sorry mate… I really don’t care about your opinion mate, thanks for caring about mine
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Honestly, you seem kinda triggered.
Like you’re saying “no, I don’t care” way too much.
Acceptance can sometimes be the internal change we are looking for. Perhaps, there is nothing really wrong with the current implementation of WoW Classic. The penny drops when we are unable to advocate for change a system whose implementation won’t change. The other solution then is how do I change myself or advocate change for others? Is that even possible?
Every player that participates in an over-geared pre-made to stomp a scouted pug group perhaps needs to take an honest look at themselves. Is this a game that you really want to play or enjoy playing? Every player that joins a PUG to get stomped and farmed by an over-geared premade each time – do you honestly want to play a game with players like that or facilitate that game-play for them?
Perhaps, the game doesn’t need to change at all, but the players do.
At the end of the day, it comes down to one person - and that is me. The game won’t change. Do we advocate change on a system that won’t change, or do we try and change our own behaviour first to maybe make it more reasonable for other players playing the game - whether they are on the opposite faction or not? If everyone would adhere to an honour and respect system on such things, perhaps we could get something working. However, I doubt it would work.
Seeing that players ultimately won’t change, and the game definitely won’t change, there is one option left.
That is to leave.
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About what you had to say? Haha; I’m more
Triggered at the thought of people PUG stomping there way to r13 in premades
Don’t hate the player hate the game dude!
No no, the tourists MUST kick and scream before they leave. It’s an honored tradition in WoW.
But yeah, that’s why I keep saying to go back to retail. Because that’s where what they are asking for is already implemented.