You really gotta look around you because there are boosters doing it, even with selfplay lol
Thats where we going, PVP HARD PVE EZ. PVP PLAYER=Victim
Getting weekly chest when season 4 was under progression was way harder in M+ 15’s than it was on pvp.
Getting it now is easyer while in pvp it has the save difficulty as it had before.
Get your facts checked hooman 
versa is go to stat for m+ right now so no if you were full versa you was in bis.
Complaining how easy is to clear m+15 and choosing for it the easiest dungeon in the easiest week is funny.
You and probably your whole group overgeared that content by 20 il and im not mentioning bis corrputions.
Go and make new healer as soon as you hit 465 il ho heal grivious shrine or something like that and than complain.
So you wanna tell me that getting 2.4 in pvp was easier in early season when there was nobody with 2.4 rating to begin with and every single bracket, even 1.8, was filled with blizzcon level players? When there still wasnt versa stacking, haste stacking, gushing stacking that could play the game for you and rating wasnt inflated?
M+ was still easier at the start of the season just because of one simple fact…you dont even have to time it to get the chest.
I dont have to check anything, im pretty sure im right with this one.
Another one.
You can choose easy dungeon every week. You cannot do that in pvp.
You can wait for easy afixes, you cannot do that in pvp.
And +15 with 465 is still a joke compared to 2.4.
Everyone in pvp around you is doing the same.
And why would you do that? If i wannt just a chest, why wouldnt i just go to the lfg and search for easy option? If there is an easy choice to do that, why would i go and do something that its just more anoying to simply prove a point?
Your first 15 done was like 3 months ago…
How do you know it was easier since you outgeared the content?
Easy or hard its an extra thing you can do and get more gear whilst no pve player will bother on pvp for a second chest.
But the eternal arguement: I play pvp, pvp is hard, pve is easy ETC ETC
You pvp guys must stop acting like you are the center of the universe im afraid…
Ive done +15 underrot the very first week of 8.3. We depleted it with like 10-15 sec overtime. And guess what…we did get our 475 item next week anyway. And thats in my eyes milion times easier than getting 2.4 in arena. Especialy at early season weeks.
Ofc. It was just a comparson from OP on the two weekly rewards, which i do agree with thats all, im not starting any rebelion here.
Im not a pvp player, not more than you. You seem to check my character, do it a little better and youll see that i do way more pve than pvp. (well as everybody this expac).
For me this isnt even discussion…i would suggest everyone who say its harder to get +15 to try arenas and hit 2.4. Just look at participation.
Cant have been season 4 as that unlocked with mythic raid and also had a massive ramp up . Very few players even timed 10s the first week of season 4 and just farmed 9s for item level upgrades so im sorry tough job believing you .
Well my very first m+ chest was Lady waycrest music box 475 that i still have in bags to this day. Second one was my own key +14 which ive got dagger ice slea with gushing 470 that i do maybe have equiped atm when i logged of. Maybe you can check my warcraftlogs from normal nyalotha very first kill where ive used that trinket.
The season didnt start until mythic raid came out which was not week 1 of 8.3 and you must be in top tier of mythic to be a few seconds over timing a 15 first week well played you . You are Limit standard player.
Your group fared better than ours did
Your run
Our run
We were trialling a new healer and he just couldn’t do it. We had to get our boomie to go healer in the end so we could just end our misery. Then when the monk dropped dead on Yazma for the umpteenth time it didn’t wipe us 
We have a different healer in our team now and things run a lot more smoothly 
And thats the thing. Im not. Im realy not and we still managed to almost timed it, and ive pugged next week 14. Again…because it doesnt matter if you deplete it or not.
I never played PVE inside an MMO, when i came to WoW and saw how RM-X works i decided to not play that lie of a game xD
I mean you cant have top tier defensives+burst+spammable cc’s alltogether.
I guess spamming sheep next to a rog is really hard to play right?
How about the locks right now? rofl
I pugged all seasons in BFA, not that its hard as in pug and specially in the beginning of the season is beyond what you describe.
Read this, its hard
Got CE yesterday, was not hard either because i just play the game though if you head to the arena forums despite the fact nobody knows what CE is “PVE IS EZ” etc. Dont fall to the silliest of all arguments.
You can have your opinion, ill keep mine!
Funny how you checked armory of top 5 druids and they go haste. Ive done same thing and all of them had versa. Maybe you should stop reading 6 months old guides.
Because not everybody can go to 15 freehold every week.
Again you were in bis gear. 450 hp rpgue means nothing. My 475 il DH have 460k hp.
Because without knowing mechanics you can jump around maybe in freehold and only because you stack full versa. Try somewhere else and you will die faster than trash in freehold.
I do both. Been 2.4+, casually clear Mythic raid bosses and clear my weekly 15+ for the chest.
The difference in difficulty level, effort and loot gain is absurd.
You have pvp players who play at the top 0.1% of the ladder. Playing arenas 8+ hours a day. They get a chance once a week to get a 1 usable item.
Then you have Mythic raiders who can logg once a week. Clear some bosses for a few hours and get 4-5 475+ items or more if they are lucky.
There is the skill difference:
Every 2.4 rated pvper can be a mythic raider if they wanted to.
Only a few Mythic raiders can get 2.4
Rex has totally optimized pve gear there with low ilvl azerites to abuse pvp scaling for maximum damage, he’s just a very-very good and clever player who also talks about how his games were ruined when there were pets, his setup isn’t really reliable.
It doesn’t mean any player can do the same, as no1 else did oneshot Wrathion either 
Others above proved already how much easier it is to earn max ilvl rewards from pve so I won’t waste my time answering to the rest.
I raid 9 hours a week, to be ready for these 3x3 hour sessions i need gear and consumables.
Only on nzoth i have 400 wipes, a 10 min fight.
The irrelevancy on your answer is absurd.
Rex proved that you all wrong, simple 1shots by using corruptions.
Sure, dont waste your time
Youre making it sound as if Nzoth is the only boss that drops loot.
Let say youre in a casual 1 x 3 hours a week raid guild. You can still clear most of Nya Mythic.
Resulting in multiple 475 items per week with minimal effort.
Except those don’t have heart of darkness trait on them. And you get to choose what you want if you farm residuum for more than a month, otherwise its rng.
Mythic+ weapons are not fine compared to what drops in the raid with good stats and corruption on them.
Ra-den is not among the first 3 bosses.
I bought all of my sockets from wrathion and i got less than 5 corrupted gear from m+, weekly chest not counted, (Two of them were useful) even though i ran a nice amount of dungeons on multiple characters.
I wouldn’t say that it’s faster to gear up in m+, because the 475 gear is a once a week thing and its not a guaranteed good piece, it can have bad stats, bad corruption, or you get gear for the same slot where you already have one. Meanwhile mythic raids drop 475 gear, lot of people can trade what they don’t need and the quality difference between the items for plenty of classes are huge.
If theorycrafting for who knows how many hours, farming 90k echoes + the correct azerites/gear for you is “simply 1shotting” I don’t know what to say dude.
He puts a lot of effort into these 4-5 minute videos and even these are only the succesful games where he procs on the right targets and/or his enemy didn’t kill him before the first proc.
In the video his mmr/rating jumps up/down a lot, you can’t clearly say how many games he played to have 8 mins of content.
He also had a video about oneshotting Wrathion, there goes your precious pve content, by your logic your 9 hr raiding time / week is a waste of time because there’s a pally who can solo bosses.
See how easy it is to take things out of context to make you look like a complete idiot?
By the way the topic was about the unfairness of pve gearing versus pvp gearing but we start to derail it, as others have highlighted Cara/N’zoth drops higher ilvl gear on Mythic than any other activity in the game so those bosses should be irrelevant to the topic and as others also said above the rest of the raid is actually doable with a semi-casual guild.