This should be self explanatory. Being kicked from LFG and then being hit with the deserter buff is just vile, specially when it was random, and for no reason or a group of friends trolling and kicking people.
Getting kicked is one thing and doesnt matter, but the fact that you are punished with 30 minutes to not que is the issue. Deserter as in the name, is intended for people who desert, not those who get kicked.
Sure if you que up with friends, you can abuse this to get out of a dungeon early(which essentially doesnât matter anymore). But that is just scraping the bottom. The issue itself is that the kick system is abused and people get punished for it.
Itâs been brought up countless of times, and i donât see any logical point in it being there. Itâs things like this that infuriates people and make them quit the game, because they are indirectly punished by the game.
I mean, if everyone has the same opinion about a subject then itâs pretty obvious that the opinion has meaning, anyone with an IQ above room temperature wouldâve figured that out by now.
I actually got kicked within two minutes of joining a dungeon run. As far as I remember this was my first time being kicked in all my time playing wow and I had no idea I would get a debuff for it. I just sat there with a surprised face contemplating what just happened.
So we get these XP buffs now and even with a good Tank and healer we sometimes die cause of someone doing something crazy and everyone loses the buffs right.
Anyway, so I join a run, right at the start when everyone joins, a player starts spamming the chat with some macro. The tank leaves, maybe becase he sensed danger or had more experience. So now we are waiting for a new tank to join. The healer is jumping around as if the 30 second wait is already too much to handle. Suddenly runs off alone and attacks some mobs somewhere and almost dies.
One of them asks if anyone has a Tank friend who can join and help, everyone says no.
So I am thinking to myself, what is the big deal, just wait a few minutes for another tank to join. Then they start running around as if they are stressed out because of waiting. Two of them attacks another group of mobs, meanwhile I am thinking to myself âI hope they donât do anything that gets us killed, cause I donât want to lose the XP bonus buffs againâ. So I am waiting for a new tank to join, 20 seconds later suddenly I am kicked without anyone ever saying anything.
This whole thing happened within two minutes of joining the run.
Oh and another thing, while leveling I saw some people just randomly wanting to kick others in the group and the kick always went through. I would ask why they kicked that player and get answers like âI donât even knowâ. So everyone just presses the yes button when that thing comes up it seems and they donât even think about it.
But then again, there was one occasion where this one player was trying to ruin everything on purpose and pulling everything in sight to get everyone killed and laughing about it while being very rude. Then they kicked him and that was deserved cause that player was griefing on purpose.
So with all that said, I donât know what could even be done about this. The only answer would have been if some highly intelligent AI could oversee these runs and decide, lol.
The debuff introduced to prevent trolls to reque asap.
Sadly its a double-edged weapon, and can be used by toxic people as well. Once i (long time ago) qued with guild for rhc, and they kicked me out at the final boss as a âjokeâ. I left the guild after obviously.
If you are leaving early or you are playing a tank and dont even know when to use your defensive skills up and get kicked from the dunegon then yeah âŚ
This was added, was because youâd get a Healer or Tank who would be like âOh, I donât like this dungeon⌠Please kick me, so I donât get deserter.â
So you can thank entitled Healers and Tanks for this change.
This situation happened in FF14. They introduced a deserter buff but it wouldnât happen if you got kicked. The tank refused to do anything but we refused to kick. I made a ticket and the GM kicked them out!!
This would never happen in WoW, a GM wouldnât respond to harassment tickets quickly.
What they said was : we are working on a hotfix that will apply the deserter debuff to
people who LEAVE
a group finder DUNGEON early
and
This penalty will apply to early leavers in all Group Finder dungeons
What we got was deserter debuff for
people who leave or are KICKED at any stage
a group finder dungeon or GROUP FINDER RAID
penalty for all group finder dungeons ALSO GROUP FINDER RAIDS
Where it gets interesting is that this hotfix was applied due to âloot leaversâ for specific trinkets. Moving that small handful of trinkets to the last boss was by far the easiest fix.
Now, âvote kickingâ has become a tool for toxicity. Vote kicking is something we need to keep, but the âhotfixâ was âbuggedâ. The hotfix differed from what they said it would do in every way possible.
Trolls are abusing it, I got kicked from a dungeon just before first boss while doing over 900k dps, nearest guy was doing 200k, reason given was âNo way 900K must be haxâ
If they want to keep the system, then give us a means of reporting those that abuse the system, there used to be a penalty, in fact we were originally promised that the penalty system would always be watched and monitored, it was introduced at the same time the chat got monitored, but now we have NO comeback if players are the victims of abuse of the system.
This is BLIZZARDS fault, they created the beast, they let it get to this state, no wonder players are abandoning the game!
âJust remove itâ The darkest times will come back again
âReduced cooldowns stacking upwardsâ so that if you arenât kicked often, it starts with a minor debuff.
âReduced cooldowns, stacking downwardsâ so if youâre in a âgoodâ party, then when they surprisepikachu kick you at the end the cooldown is lower.
âWarning before Debuffâ - When you get removed from dungeon you get a Warning but allows you to requeue, if you get kicked again you get debuffed on subsequent leaves.
âAdd reporting for kickingâ - This is akin FF where they investigate if someone is really, really using votekick so often and gets reported for it that often as well. WoW used to do this.
If you have a proper suggestion, you may submit it through the ingame feedback box. I also would like to know to see if the suggestion can be improved making it into a better experience for everyone involved.
People wouldnt like it but they could have just moved all boss loot to the end of the dungeon at m0 or higher. Include lfr in that to stop people leaving after 1 boss. Make them commit to the run.
/afk auto removes you like it does in bgâs with a scaling debuff. 5/15/30/60 mins which is reduced over time of not being removed for being afk.
Vote kick gives a warning to the player that the party is unhappy and the reasons why.
Timer in between any vote kicks of 5 mins.
Vote kicked from a dungeon does not immediately give you a debuff but consecutive leaves/kicks gives you the scaling debuff mentioned above.
Finally a commendation system that serves little purpose other than to show people you are friendly, finish runs and reliable within the dungeon system that is visable to other players (like a good reputation). Add an achieve at the end of every season for attaining x level of commendations. Its then reset for next season (similar to ffxiv)
