Lots of players will roll on a realm because they have friends there.
I think the above says more about why people will roll on a RP realm. You can check the forums and see many threads about the ‘Boosting Service’ spams and that trade chat, or any sort of chat is no longer viable on a lot of realms. So no real substance to the world, but this ‘substance’ can still be found on a RP realm and understandably it is a temptation to others who want that substance back.
So who is to blame? If Blizzard sorted out this boosting service (a separate channel for boosting so that people would have the option to use this is they wish). Lots of options have been put forward, but the standard replies from some posters is that they offer a ‘trade’ service so therefore they don’t break the rules. So who actually is killing this ‘substance to the world’.
Somebody else also mentioned WM, that will also encourage people to roll on AD, why would it not?
What I am saying is there are many issues as to why a none role player would roll on Argent Dawn.
The above is a fair and reasonable statement, I started out playing on Earthen Ring, also a RP realm but with a mix of both RP and none RP, I always wonder why this option doesn’t work if people are respectful towards other players?
But then we see the following:
And that leads to a response similar to below.
Let me be very clear, I have no issue with role players and I am not intending to be disrespectful to those that choose to RP. What I am trying to say is that maybe it is issues with ‘in game’ facilities that are ruining other realms and making AD seem more desirable?
If Blizz take it seriously and police the events and actively moderate, it would improve but not stop things. During peak times or high activity it may be hard for them to keep up and protect or investigate each case correctly.
This will lead to some players getting disrupted unavoidably at times still.
If the ignore function is expanded and it makes them invisible also. Insant fix I think. Gives RPers direct power to stop these players instantly and get on with their RP.
Cannot think of a more effective way to resolve this. Also it’s an expansion on ignore system - it should make players invisible/no emotes/account wide mute anyway.
For some player who never RP before I think at times it can be an ease of access thing. In a guild I’m in we have approached and interacted in RP with players of which it was their first time to RP - typically they are as welcoming as RPers are but they never created that chance.
Some guilds do large scale events and recruitment (they are amazing and help RP a lot) I guarantee in doing so you will meet players who have next to no RP experience but are willing to try it. Problem is these events and guilds get crapped on by trolls.
Realistically there will always be players out of RP who are phasing in and out for their ques/doing dailies general non RP things, even if they do frequently RP anyway. This can be immersion breaking, you might be RPing outside Scarlet monastery as an example and a 5 man group runs past your RPing in their longbois.
I guess the point to that is how far do you go? I feel like some of the desire to remove any and all OOCers leads to something of a suggestion where there is no gameplay at all, it becomes a chatroom with transmog. Basically a private server for a select group.
If all OOCers was removed - player who never RP at all, how many players do you think that would be roughly? I’m thinking at least 50% of players on the realm.
I think so. I don’t think this can be reasonably policed by removing a large portion of the players on the realm or banning trolls quickly and efficiently all the time.
I think the ignore feature addition I mentioned is the best solution to helping RPers avoid these fools. Then again maybe I’m biased, it’s my own suggestion
They definitely push it, but it’s no defense for disrupting RP, if you can’t abide by RP game rules I don’t think you should be playing on an RP server. They’re really not bad rules to follow. Just don’t disrupt RP, make anti-RP remarks, try to have a more RP appropriate name, and make a stand against anyone that goes against such things. There’s a lot of people on RP servers that won’t shut down a friend because they’re a friend even when they’re disrupting RP or dislike RP.
If it was like how it was in early 2000’s as far as rule enforcement goes, I don’t think there’d be much of an issue but we all know a lot of the report systems are lacking as far as action goes.
I think the reason many come to AD is simple - they want to play alliance and it is heavily alliance populated.
Big numbers draw players in regardless of realm type. This is further exacerbated by things like the WM situation.
The problems with some of that logic is quite a few of these are more recent, whereas many of the other RP servers have long-since died off from grief and general disruption from people with zero interest in RP, that have always rolled on RP servers despite disliking RP in general.
They do definitely contribute, but at not at the true heart of quite a few of the problems. It’s why you get some people taking the extreme stance of no OOCers are welcome on RP servers, since Argent Dawn is seen as really the last bastion of RP. The ONE server with a healthy, robust sense of Roleplay with many daily events.
Changes to WM, sharding, and etc on other servers would definitely help curb some of the people here… But as you mentioned, but definitely not all and we’re not sure that would be enough. I do think Blizzard should take into all forms of helping, and enforcing their rules in regards to RP servers would be one of the biggest help.
I agree and I want to be clear, I have no issue with RP realms or those that choose RP, to me it’s the same as playing purely for PvP, we all choose how we wish to play the game and we should respect a players choice.
I think maybe I didn’t make myself very clear, I was pointing out the things that I think do draw none role players to AD, as you said WM but also for me I believe it is that immersive quality. I think Travar said it very well.
This is just my observation from how realm growth tends to take place. I can’t speak for these players and why they choose AD specifically if that intention is not RP.
I think you are correct on that second part and it probably does contribute overall as to why they decide to do so.
For me WoW is not the exclusive home for my RP. I have for years and still do RP on other games.
Garry’s mod or GTA is one I can use as an example. We would actively police the server and disruption is still a common occurance. It’s a constant battle and typically trolls want one thing: attention.
AD is like a feeding ground for these types of individuals and if players can deal with it themselves I think this is best experience. Of course it’s nice for Blizzard to directly intervene too, much of the community want this in varying aspects.
I agree it would be nice if you could actively police the service and stop disruptions, I was more thinking of the ‘why’ it is happening, why so many are rolling on AD.
If I offended anyone I apologise, I do not have a problem with role players or a RP realm. In my defence I was just thinking of the problems that may have created none role players desire to roll on the realm.
A good portion of RPers actively do content. That is not OOC. It’s just normal.
OOCers are those who have no desire or interest in RP yet come to an RP server either to:
Abuse sharding with alliance WM.
Zoo tour roleplayers and kek at them.
Disrupt RP and have a giggle.
Be present for the atmosphere while respecting it.
First three are unwelcome. Last is borderline. Others explained the issue; they may draw in any of the former three and still erode the server’s atmosphere.
I believe that 1 through to 3 are a problem Lazaares, but not the whole of the problem. Item 4 I cannot see an issue, although I know we will probably disagree
I feel as if I am being asked to justify my views on ‘how a rp realm’ should be, which would be futile as others will have views that differ. In my original post I was referring to aspects of the game that in my view, would draw none role players to roll on AD.
Made my 1st ally on AD because its big ally server, but never really played the game on ally side.
Half a year ago i geared up ally Hunter and actualy played some. And its only then i realised how alive SW on AD is. And i liked it a lot, really adds a lot.
I dont join in as i am a very unimaginative person and wouldnt really be any good. I do go with it if approached sometimes, like a few days ago in boralus a druid recruited me to kill a spider (they brought me to a cave with spider) only to try to kill me with servant of nzoth toy, which i used also but was all wraped up in rp, it started as your pets look strong you must be a strong Hunter… And went from there… The toy was also announced as part of the second test, the spider was the first. Quite fun all in all.
Just stepping in here to say that griefing/disrupting of RP events can be reported, but often, especially when the queues are long, it can be difficult to verify after the disruption has ended.
Inappropriate content in public channels (including addons) should always be reported via the ingame “report” function. Customer Support can review the logs for these and action accordingly.
However, the forums are not a place for naming and shaming and action will be taken if they are used as such.
I tried to make an AD char last week (chickened out in the end ), and I made a thread to get some advice. I had some lovely responses and tips, so I’m going to link it so you can take a look through:
EDIT: If he takes you into Elwynn (other than stormwind), RUN.
but was all wraped up in rp, it started as your pets look strong you must be a strong Hunter… And went from there… The toy was also announced as part of the second test, the spider was the first. Quite fun all in all.
), and I made a thread to get some advice. I had some lovely responses and tips, so I’m going to link it so you can take a look through: