Name them all!
Just kidding. I agree with this but I said ages ago people seem to have some kind of psychological block on starting/applying to groups.
I do think solo queue will be here eventually.
its mpt b;ock about applying
its the fear of rejection
Solo queue will not fix the issue of tank and healer shortage.
it will just fix the gatekeeping issue.
That’s it.
You get over that by facing the fear though. When I was a baby Gloob we used to be put into what at the time were massively stressful situations so we could handle real stress later.
For example we got money for a toy but we had to hand the money to the person at the till.
Now this is just a plain out lie. Literarly stream this and show me how a ilevel 705+ with timed 10s, gets declined from a +10 for example because he is not a “meta tank”.
I really want to see this.
Only way for a tank to get declined is if he is 665 geared, barely timed a +2 and wants to get into a +10. Then sure, its a decline no matter what.
It doesnt matter. How you try to “advertise” soloQ. You can take an analogy of a soloQ being a car. You can advertise how “comfortable seating it has”, highly advenced AI road aid and whatever. But the car wont go anywhere because it has no FUEL.
And what is fuel? Tanks and healers are. Think theres no shortage. Sure then open LFG and see gazillion DPS only groups looking for a tank&healer and yeah yeah. Lilith will come in and claim that those groups actually got 50 tank and healer applicants but dem “elitist keyholders” just declined them all.
Go into regular LFG normal/HC, sign up as tank or healer = insta queue. Sign as DPS? Can even wait an hour. Of course according to Lilith. Its probably because dat army of free tanks and healers are just not responding to the invites and are so evil and cruel and making dps wait for an hour… m’right Lilith? 
So you can advertise SoloQ as Humanity’s salvation for all you want. It will not fix the dps queues. Unless you consider : “You have been queued for m+ soloQ. Estimated wait time: 4 hours” as some Great WoW success story.
Now I am waiting for Lililth to come and try to convince that there is a major supply of tank and healers. Aka every tankless/healerless group in LFG gets 100+ tank and healer applicants while groups with tanks and healer who are looking for just dps…mysteriously disappears in less than 3 mins.
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It doesn’t ever happen. There is always some absolute cornball with no score or gear with a +10 who takes anyone. I usually sign up for those groups the first few weeks to get Vault slots. Then when I have tons of gear I still sign up for them because they are usually lots of fun.
I can play all the tanks except BM Monk and I still just stay with my beloved Guardian because someone will always invite me.
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If they add it it will be the best feature ever re added towards this game.
best thing ever that they add.,
You ok there fella? The last 3 posts are you bumping on alts. Are you thellanah on another account?
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What do you mean it’s not the case?
If you use your naked 670 MW monk trying to get into 10s as an example… its a bad example.
If you have ~ appropriate ilvl, and appropriate rio. The maximum wait time if you are a healer/tank is 5 minutes. TOPS.
I specifically mentioned healers and tanks. We post our key, and 100 DDs apply. We have our pick.
If you post your +10 you can choose someone with all keys on +9 for him to progress. OR… you can take that GIGACHAD DD that just wants his weekly vault.
You can risk it with someone with out experience, and 690 ilvl. You can look at all the WCLogs you want… You can take the guy with “appropriate level” for that key.
OR… You can invite the guy with 720 ilvl, Mythic Raider, with Resilient +15… You look at WCLogs and that guy is a 90% and up parser in all his logs.
As a healer/tank, you can do this. Because there are 100 DDs posting for your key.
And I asked you a question about this specifically. And you answer was:
So. (A) I will have to wait longer than now. (B) AND I cant choose the GIGACHADs I want. I get put with whoever it is that the computer decides.
YEAH… its a big L for healers and tanks…
Well, I would not mind naming people that specifically post in the forums.
But people ingame I would refrain from doing so. Maybe they dont want their name on a public forum.
Either way. You are right. I wont name a list of people to protect their privacy.
But neither can you. That’s the point.
So I cannot invoque the majority. And you cant invoque the majority either. So you cannot say that SoloQ is something the “majority” wants. Unless you invoque a list of people yourself.
We can only judge the benefit/disadvantage of SoloQ based on the mechanics themselves.
Such as: What is the problem, what a payer gains and what a player looses. In LFG and SoloQ.
But neither is anyone else forced. So basically:
If you have a SoloQ, and no healer quews in that SoloQ (because they are all in LFG)… its just full of DDs…
What now? SoloQ is supposed to solve the healer/tank shortage. And the end result is that it splits the really small pool of healer/tanks into 2 modes.
What do you think will happen with the wait times? Will it work? It wont.
Wait times will be larger than now in SoloQ, AND in LFG. You just made the situation worse for BOTH modes.
7x more players that are willing to sit in Donorgal doing nothing but wait. Is that the engagement you are refering to?
With out more healers and tanks, there cannot be more keys done. So where do you put all those extra DDs? The system is just as strong as it’s weakest link.
REMEMBER: The PROBLEM are wait times. People dont like LFG because it exists. DDs dont like LFG because they spend 1h trying to get into a dungeon.
And they blame the key-holder. They think he is choosing people based on unfair criteria. And you want other criteria to be forced upon that choice. With a computer. Which is what SoloQ is.
But WHY is the key-holder so picky with DD? Because he can. Because there are 100s of them applying to 1 key that can only have 3.
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Unfortunately, not a single argument so far has even tried to adress the core cause of the issue.
As debated with Jito with the car analogy. SoloQ might as well be a “palace on wheels” which can take those poor DPSs to their vault pixels with comfort and luxury.
But whats the point of the car IF there is no fuel for it? Aka tanks and healers are the fuel and when you try pointing that out its just a “Well…yeah but still soloQ car is the best car!” 
Or you get some classic Lillith takes - There are a gazillion tanks and healers hiding in the bushes but the elitist dpsers are not inviting them. 
Whats the point of trying to sell me the “perfect car” if there is no fuel for me to actually use that car? 
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I certainly hope not. Can’t imagine it leading to a very pleasant experience.
I simply mean it’s not the case.
The higher you go the lower the player pool and the more healers and tanks you have while the less you need.
My MW is 711 ilvl tho.
But I also didn’t ever say I struggled to get into a 10 on 670 ilvl on any spec, you confused something.
It was my ilvl 670 resto shaman needing 15-20 min to get into a +6. Huge, huge, HUGE difference.
Read the quoted. Your response has absolutely zero to do with what you quoted.
So I say it again: You don’t lose anything.
I have no idea what it has to do with queuing a key or using own key, it remains a fact that you can keep playing the way you want.
You can do what you want. You don’t like solo queue, you don’t have to touch it at all.
What you keep forgetting is, that not everyone wants to play the game YOU want. But at the same time, introducing solo queue does not affect the way to play YOU want.
So you keep saying it’s a big L for tanks and heals, meanwhile nobody FORCES them to play solo queue. So per definition it can’t be an L, it can only be a huge W, especially if Blizzard decided to put rewards to solo queue.
now you are a hypocrite.
705 and 2600 scored tank is super overgeared and overscored for 10s.
also dont have any reason to join garbage low scored +10 keys 
im talking about progressing while being like 2k score 695 itlv tank - its like 5-10 minutes of constant declines.
when i applied to 10s on my 1k score 690 itlv dk tank last week - itwas good 10+ minutes of non stop declines
geared up a bit my druid tank to 692 itlv and it has like 920 score - gonna tell exactly you how long it will take me to find that 1 x +10 tomorrow for weekly GV :0
SoloQ is not for high keys as I explained earlier. It’s different universe. The issue is with low keys. Arguing about low keys, and using high key arguments is lame. Try again.
Really?
Let me underline what was missing:
“For Healers/tanks the quew will still be instant. It cant get any lower.”
You cant just quote 1 phrase out of context and claim it means something else. That is moronic.
Sorry. I confused MW with RShaman… who cares. Its the same point I was making. You try to get into +6 keys with crapy S2 gear.
That is why you wait. If you had ~ 690 ilvl, which is ~S2 gear, or can be gotten in delves/heroic dungeons it would be a different story.
No imagine you were not a healer. That you were a DD with 670 gear. Would you struggle to get into a 6+? I dont think so. You would literally NEVER get into a 6+.
Because when you quew with your naked RShaman, the keyholder is presented with the following choice: Wait 20 minutes for another healer to appear on the list, or risk it with this guy and start now. And sometimes they dont want to wait. DDs on the otherhand its different. There is no wait time at all. In that same list you got 100 DDs. Of which atleast 10 are over-geared gigachads.
Forcing everyone to play like I want? What does that even have to do with anything?
I am only pointing out how EVERYONE plays at the moment. You know. Those people that are not inviting your RShaman. Those guys. The same guys that reject your MW. Or everyone else in this forum that is complaining that they have to wait for HOURS to get into a key.
THOSE guys.
Let me be more specific: Not ME…
THIS GUY. He sais that he waits for 2-3h to form a group. What? He just stands in Donorgal and does nothing?
NO. He opens the LFG tool. He sees groups. He applies to said groups. He gets rejected.
WHY does he get rejected? BECAUSE THE KEY HOLDER FOUND SOMEONE BETTER THAN HIM… WHY? BECAUSE THERE ARE 100s OF WARLOCKS QUEWING FOR THE SAME KEY… That’s why!!!
AGAIN. Its not ME. Its everyone else!
So gain:
WHY do we want a system that splits the playerbase in 2, which is arguably something horrendously bad, if we KNOW for a FACT that it will not fix the problem?
IT WILL NOT CREATE MORE KEYS. It cant. Not with out more Tanks and Healers. And it dosent matter if half the tanks go in LFG and half in SoloQ. Its STILL a shortage! It STILL wont fix anything.
The warrior on the thread I posted actually proposes some useful ideas to improve the QoL of M+. Unlike you.
I mean you say it’s not, I say you could do easily 12s and maybe even higher at the current state. So what’s high? It does not need to work for 20s rn and it’s fine.
Really.
I literally explained: You are not losing ANYTHING because YOU can CHOOSE the way you want to play.
You cut like half the reality and try to make an argument on a fictional scenario. THAT’S moronic.
I have current 2set too, and it’s more than fine.
And that’s problem. Choosing overgeared people for content where it’s not required is a bad game design. Who cares about ilvl if it’s enough? Isn’t that how it should work? A bad player can do same content with more gear if that’s what’s needed, a better player should be able to do it with lower gear.
Another fictional scenario… Doesn’t matter what role, it’s not about rio nor ilvl because those are irrelevant. You need to have performance. Now imagine (because you like fiction) a 711 dps join and does 1 mio dps overall? How is the 670 ilvl DPS worse choice if he does 4 mil dps? See how your entire fictional arguments fall apart?..
It literally is your only argument against the solo queue. You don’t want people to have it, there is no other argument yet you were able to provide.
And it’s YOU who wants it to stay this way and people not have a different option to queue for M+?
Your assumption is not a fact and why would you care about a split of player base when that “one half” is getting only rejected anyway? Let them play? Let them queue with solo queue.
It can and it will. Just because you say “no” with no argument behind it and only fictional arguments that have nothing in common with reality, it does not mean anything tbh.
We are already, theoretically, have more tanks than we need. Did you know that? We are lack some healers and dps, statistically speaking.
There are definitely healer/tank shortages on a +12.
I repeat. Its not me. Why is it that healers/tanks dont wait but DDs do?
It holds true even in Matchmaking Heroic/Normal dungeons. I quew on my DD and I wait 30 minutes. I quew with my Healer/Tank and get an instant invite. WHY?
OK. 1 key, 3 DPS required. 100 DPS on the quew. Some have 670 ilvl. Some have 710 ilvl.
Does it matter who you choose? NO. 3 will get in. 97 wont. <— THIS is the problem… the 97.
You can put 3 DDs with 670 ilvl. 97 will wait.
You can put 3 DDs with 720 ilvl. 97 will wait.
You can put 3 DDs with appropriate ilvl. 97 will wait.
You can put 3 DDs with a fancy, super advanced algorithm that works 100% of the time to put the exact person that deserves it, is not boosted, AND has the appropriate skill level for the key. 97 will wait.
Cant you see the problem?
Its not fictional. Its LITERALLY what people are whining about.
You are a DD. And you have to wait 2h in LFG? That is because key holders are choosing OTHER DDs. BETTER DDs.
I can imagine what happens if you invite a 710 ilvl DD and does 1M overall DPS.
BUT HE GOT INVITED. RIGHT?
Now. Invite the 670 DD that does 4M DPS. Cool. But then the 710 ilvl DD is waiting in the LFG and he comes to the forums to whine that he has to wait 2h.
My argument are the DDs complaining that they have to wait for 2h.
Who said I dont want more QoL improvements to the LFG tool? Never said that.
I just said that doing a separate SoloQ is an option that will make things worse for everyone. Because it dosent solve the issue.
To have them ALL back here in the forums, whine, and say: I TOLD YOU !!!
Really? All this trouble, all this failed systems for nothing?
Theoretically more tanks than needed?
REALLY? Where did you get that from. And its NOT theoretical if there are so many DDs waiting.
I can go on and on with posts like those.
Plus YOUR experience in LFG. You post your key. Count how many tanks there are vs. DDs… GO…
Theoretical… bro…
So you don’t want to work your way up in m+ but skip it to the end?
You thought I was doing +10s straight from the let go? I started with getting everything done at +8s, then moved into a +9s and etc. Right now on my main dps char, I got everything timed +12s and will start slowly getting everything to +13s and etc.
920 score means that you have done like half of dungeon pool…on a +7 maybe?
Guy writes on other topics about how people are “holding others as hostages for free boost” but at the same time demand to get free boosted gear and score wise himself?
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And he calls me a hypocrite 
Forum entertainment folks! At its finest!
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