San'layn not a race confirmed? I want an apology :)

[Vixí-argent-dawn (Vixí)]

@Quillestra-argent-dawn

Maybe you can back up your accusations with my words from these threads where I claim that San’layn can be a part of the Horde?

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@Quillestra-argent-dawn

I am new to RP, and I don’t get what is wrong with the Undead and the Draenei DK combination?

Your original opening. Which in itself was not bad, it was you asking a question and people responded.

@Quillestra-argent-dawn

Again, I’m a newbie, what is wrong with Undead Elves?

@Quillestra-argent-dawn

I didn’t mean Elven DKs, I mean Undead Elves (pale skin, red eyes).

Was your next ones. Which lead to a discussion that you had approached Rotgarde in RP and asked to join as an “undead elf”. They had allegedly told you potentially, but they atm didnt recruit more elves and suggested you used an undead model.

Your next response was to call it discrimination and racism against undeads and went on a long tirade how it was bullying, and undeads deserved rights and you were full on treating it as if it was a real-life offense. People was trying to argue with you how undeads are viewed in the setting and you responded as if people said YOU as a person was a monster.

Then this came:

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@Quillestra-argent-dawn

I’m a bored San’layn at work who accidentally started a pointless argument that escalated into philosophical debates about defining good and evil and pondering the fundamental basics of RP.

You’ll note if you follow that link that I was kind to you already there btw.

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@Quillestra-argent-dawn

I am NOT a San’layn! I have NEVER revealed who I roleplay as in this thread!

This came after alot more arguing, and people were getting confused as you used San’layn and Darkfallen interchangeably, including saying you yourself was one (and kept mixing who you IRL was and your character as one and the same).

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@Quillestra-argent-dawn

It’s not about the exact number but the general impression. SW is filled with High elves, they are everywhere. 9 out of 10 void elves (in the open world) that I see are “high elf wannabees”. And here people are scared of not 30 but 3-5 former San’layn characters they might encounter in Orgrimmar or wherever

You started to argue that San’layn wasnt bad becausse there are less of them.

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@Quillestra-argent-dawn

A former Scourge member regaining free will and lucidity of mind and joining the others is a very basic and simple concept of the Undead race. It doesn’t send you into Minecraft or break lore in any way.

Your response to being told San’layn lore as scourge soldiers. After this you barely mention San’layn again, instead arguing about Darkfallen rights. And people keep repeteadly telling you Darkfallen are fine, there is no issue at all.

Your response to that is:

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@Quillestra-argent-dawn

Again, how can you be a San’layn and a Forsaken at the same time? These are not races, they are names of separate clans or whatever. When people keep bringing San’layn up they get too fixated on the name and miss the point

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@Quillestra-argent-dawn

The problem with the San’layn (I am delving into this subject for the first time here!) is that it’s not a race, it’s the name of the sect in the Scourge. The race would be Darkfallen aka Undead elves, albeit with a vampiric touch. What matters is your affiliation. It’s like saying that Sylvanas is Scourge because she once was a part of it. But she’s not anymore.

If you are an intelligent Undead, then you are free to choose what to do with your life/undeath next. Pledging loyalty to the Forsaken is a great way to be an official member of the Horde and the largest sentient undead community. It’s very versatile and canonically includes plenty of undead subtypes from Geists and Banshees to Wraiths, Death Knights and leper gnomes. So yes, DKs can also be part of the Forsaken.

Again, this was a direct response to people telling you “DARKFALLEN IS FINE, SAN’LAYN IS NOT”. People kept getting confused because even when they were saying “Yes, you’re getting it” you kept arguing as if people were saying Darkfallen wasn’t okay.

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@Quillestra-argent-dawn

What conclusion? Darkfallen has recently become a term officially used for all undead elves regardless of their origin. The San’layn is a word that has double-meaning depending on what you want to imply. It may refer for a specific group withing the Scourge or to that particular kind of vampiric elves.

Here you argue it means two things if not more.

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@Quillestra-argent-dawn

They are refered to as either the San’layn, the Darkfallen, the vampiric Darkfallen, the undead blood elves or the vampyr. So?

Here you were arguing because San’layn are also known as Darkfallen, then any Darkfallen could be a San’layn.

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@Quillestra-argent-dawn

Visit ICC and see for yourself that the mobs are called Darkfallen Classname and “The San’layn” is put in the title field.

More of the same, and people told you that this was because they were done before Darkfallen became an umbrella term. You continued to call people bullies in response.

@Quillestra-argent-dawn

The vampiric Darkfallen are extremely underrepresented in the game and their nature and abilities, as well as their personalities and aspirations, were not described well enough to make any loud statements. But we can clearly see that even in WotLK the term Sanlayn was used as a reference to the vampyric elves in service of the Lich King, while the word Darkfallen was used as their name, both in ICC and in Northrend (Borean Tundra…). That being said, the term Sanlayn can be interpreted as both the title of the organization and the convenient race indicator.

I don’t know your point here.

That only covers maybe 1/5 of all of your arguments and ramblings, and they are very confusing to read. You started the entire thing by saying that not accepting undead elves is racism towards you IRL, then that you were a San’layn, then that you are not a San’layn. Then that Darkfallen and San’layn were the same, then that they were seperate.

Then when people told you “Yes, they are seperate good.” you started to argue “Why are people mean to Darkfallen then???” and as people kept trying to tell you “No, the issue is only San’layn, Darkfallen is fine” you kept rambling on how people should stop bullying Darkfallen and constantly intertwining yourself into the argument as if you was your character and intermixing the two phrases constantly.

That was taxing to find again, I hope you are satisfied.

All of this came down to you not differentiating your thoughts at all and made it very confusing to understand your point, and as soon there was some kind of conclusion or understanding you lashed out at people saying they were wrong and it all circled back again.