I feel like this is true, if you don’t have a big guild or friends who are willing to play with you and grow together through thick and thin you have a very low chance of actualy getting anywhere.
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Conections is often more importan than skill tbh. If you are a bad player but got 2 skilled friends, they can boost you in 3s. If you are skilled yourself but got no friends, things will probably be harder as you have to make conections and find partners. Wich can be hard.
Skilled people will always make it if they put in the effort ofc. But the times it take can be mulitplied sevenfold by how slow the LFG system is.
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Yes, solo queue for bgs is absolutely needed.
No, we won’t get it because Blizzard are inept monkeys.
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Is rating and reward important to you or you care about fun & “balance” ?
Solo queue could be the random one (not rated) but with sorta ilvl brackets instead of lvl 60 bracket
Also ppl will complain with solo queue, QQQ cant play with my premade russian friends
Unsubed and i will wait till 9.1 for the solo rated queue.After that ill just uninstall the game
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As I find out I’m not bad at arenas, even RBG. But again, the problem: try find people and if they are bad you scruwed up you win-rate, and after that nobody want play with you, and you don’t have any opportunity to proof that you are good.
I really try hard. And I’m stucked at 1400 with RBG, my rating flew from 1.2 to 1.5 but no more. But I thought that’s me a bad player. Nope, many people have this problem. RBG is actually much easy than arena to gain rating. Only what you need is 4 wins in a row, and you’ll get boost rating. But for winning 4 games in a row… I even don’t know how…
So according to LFG problems and human errors, solo queue is not only one possible solution. I’ve wrote here my thoughts LFG improvements
But anyway, solo queue solve a lot of problems. Cause atm is so hard to climb.
It’s also true. We need some kind of better matchmaking by several properties. Not only 60lvl, but also ilvl, also exp, also many things.
I feel the same. If they will not improve PvP I’ll just delete game. Just tired pay for bad game, which is could be much much better.
I’ve spent 2 hours on LFG simulator so far.
No one wants someone under 25% versa (I’m 22%) not really relevant on a hunter because you shouldn’t be getting hit by melee in the first place.
No one under 2.5k CR (That’s me out because I can’t find a group to grind with)
And no one wants a hunter if they can pick another OP class like boomkin, ret or mage.
I’ve even got 2k + exp but that means for nothing now.
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You are promoting that solo queue a lot brother,which says everything one needs to know about you.
Only kind of people who would like to see solo queue are same people who leech in random bg’s and who benefit of other people’s effort.
Few other games have that solo queue you are elevating so much,visit their forums to see how good solo queue is.
Every single complain is about how people leech,afk and leave game intentionally.
Solo queue never worked nor is going to work,ever.
Solo queue is going to bring crap ton of other issues and complaints.Feel free to visit pvp forums of games that have solo queue for 10 years now.
Again solo queue is for bad players who expect to be carried and benefit of other people’s effort.
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Cant say I agree, that solo queue is about getting to play the game without spending more time making groups and looking for people. And in solo queue you cant leech off other people really, as if one dont contribute one wont have more sucess in solo queue than regular premade arena/rbg groups.
The chain is never stronger than it’s weakest link, that applies to wow aswell
The game certainly have made a dynamic which yields frustration;
You need competitive gear to win matches but you need to win matches to buy competitive gear
There needs to be something done. Two solutions exist;
- Improve chances of playing while not being competitively geared.
- Improve chances of improving gear to become competitively geared.
Basically it accounts to either lowering the requirements to upgrade on ilvl 200 pvp gear or introducing gearing brackets in pvp.
I applaud the people who explain how to problem solve the current system, but we are not pointing out that we don’t know how to defeat it, we are pointing out the obvious and unnecessary flaws to an otherwise much improved system. The fact that you can problem solve it and win is not evidence of a great system.
I bet that if quick match wasn’t sometimes a difference of +40 average ilvl between the groups, we would probably see less AFKers leeching honor; people might otherwise think they are useless but need to grind to gear up.
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People don’t have pvp trinkets in premade groups,imagine gear and attitudes in solo rated queue.
You bust your a** off,and need one win for 2200 rating,and some dude enters because of matchmaking,with 165 ilvl,and no trinkets,and all of your effort goes down the drain.
Happens all the time in other games with solo queue,and wow would be no different.
Im gonna say it again,kind of people who want solo rated queue are people who afk in random bg’s and who are useless.People who join bg’s without any gear,expecting to get carried and people who live to benefit of other people’s effort.
And you are superios BG solo matchwinner? Its an option, you know, don’t want - don’t join. Do your own grp and q - nobody against it.
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I’m currently in queue… 1h.
I’ve joined many groups only to leave after inspecting 1-3 players in the group.
They throw random ratings … which they don’t have (1700bg …1st inspect…1560 player, 2d 1510…). Which… seriously, you can be unrated and have mad skills for all i care… i’m not arguing that…happens…
BUT …if i join , 1st loss… i go -15…win +8… i won’t play that.
Yesterday, with mage… I just queue groups…to play some… Every god damn group i enter has that guy you say… 23k hp and “be legit , 1600+ , vc ,blablabla” …
So…
At some point C.K. said in an interview… they even got systems that can rate you while you play…(ofc they do, LoL has as well… ranks your every move).
Seriously … Since there would be no boost in a solo queue system… because it is impossible…there is no lies etc… there is no “it’s my friend take him/her” … why do you believe you’ll see that player you mention at 2,2k…?
They can tune it like… match players with average 50 rating gap… problem solved.
About forums… yes you are right… BUT tell me the difference of that you describing and current WoW forums… NONE.
Man, i get your points… but you have to understand we are already standing by your sayings. I don’t think solo queue will make it worse or something… and seriously, none will tell you to play it if you don’t want to.
But… have a look at the other side , too… Is it nice to join a group and see someone lie, or someone want a free boost but doesn’t say it…?? Only to hp groups for 1h… in case you find something worthy??
That’s what are we saying…
I’ll repeat… no one said to kill team queue… Team queue has to be there. There are guilds communities etc. They have to coexist.
But, really… if someone needs 2 hours to get a valid group… only to play half an hour and then 1st loss group breaks… it’s game breaking… i can’t explain it better.
If you play on 2200 mmr I hardly see it realistic that you would queue into a teammate with leveling gear and no trinkets. As that person would probably not have that high an MMR. Thats just not how it work, so this isnt really a realistic scenario.
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Ridiculous statement, there’s many people like myself who have played solo since the beginning and do far more to try to win games than many of the groups of mates who join and do nothing but spend the whole game fighting in useless areas of the BG’s. Some of us also choose to play classes/specs that are not classed as viable or desirable for RBG’s, why should we have to suffer just because we don’t roll FOTMs like everybody else? Just add a solo v solo queue and leave the rest of you in your groups to fight other groups, then you don’t have to worry about leechers. It would also increase the pool of players that are actually geared enough to join other people’s groups further down the line.
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One cant generalize that everyone who wanna play solo is just leeching etc., because its simply not true.
And from experience I encounter more leechers in premade groups, where the group leader lie about their own gear, experience, CR, MMR etc, and try to invite more skilled/geared players to carry him/her.
I really do enjoy this expansion and I think most things have been made really well. But “I” feel that wow is designed for a certain type of player and I’m not that kind of player. I really don’t want to, or at times can’t be on discord when playing intensive games like world of warcraft. Doing pvp or endgame pve content. It’s a stressful experience and Im sure allot of people maybe feel the same when I say that being in a voice chat takes all the fun out of the game. If I was 20 years old and lived alone like it was for me back in classic wow I wouldn’t have any problems with discord. But now I have to accept it or be left behind by everyone in RBG premades (or any other premades), as no one want to invite me.
So I have reached a point where I can’t set any more goals for myself and I end up quiting the game rather then being left playing a gear level gap. There comes a point when there is nothing to strive for. All kinds of content eventually demands voice chat or leaving the game. Now even the battlegrounds makes people like me feel lesser. Being in voice is such a great advantage and still they are rewarded with better gear. Play together the way blizzard wants you to or be forced to leave thats how I feel about it. It’s a shame, the first expanssion I liked since classic. Sorry for poor sentence structure and spelling, my English is not good.
I get how you feel. I think it was an error of blizzard to reintroduce rating requirement on pvp gear progression. As it just create a huge gear gap in the player base, and rating requirement was removed from pvp gear for a reason to begin with. This probably got to do that theres no separate pve and pvp gear anymore, but it still hurts the game I think.
Same to you.
If you can’t get invited,make your own group.
#Only reason people wish for solo rated queue is to leech of other people’s effort.
A game is supposed to be played and fun, spending time in LFG is a drag, time consuming and not fun. And the LFG tool as it is at the moment is very bad and not optimal for making good groups. Even if Blizzard wont make a solo queue, there is no reason to keep the LFG system as it is today. Its outdated, impractical and quite bad for actually making good groups in an efficient way.