#SoloQueueRBG

Let me explain why Random Battlegrounds got more adept than Premade Group

In Random Battleground, you freshly or already geared your character
All you have to do is to press a button and waiting for the queue to pop and enjoy yourself.

In Ranked PvP, to play it you need to :

  1. Play a viable Specialisation
  2. Premade Group
  3. Select your category
  4. Browse in the long list with filter your actual CR
  5. Checking the note if you got the right Exp
  6. Checking the note if you got the right Class / Specialisation for the group
  7. Checking if there’s still enought place for your role
  8. Getting enought ilevel
  9. Linking your achievement
  10. Waiting for the guys to accept you
  11. Be declined ( 70%) / Be Accepted ( 30%)

10 step to try to join a group.


The success of Random Battleground come from pressing a simple button you can directly enjoy the game. One part of the end game.


Where Premade Group fail and why people stick on Random Battleground is the complexity of it, the work it need and the work require to play to just join a group. That work listed with 10 step make the comunity toxic between each other :

By the time you spend on Premade group, you want a winning group because if you loose, you will have spend soo much time to say you have won nothing. But if you didn’t have spend that much time browsing or creating a group you would have not bothered about winning or loosing and you will be more positive about that PvP is 50% win 50% loose and you have to beat that score.

Like what Absterge say after loosing :

That mean when you got the option that you find people easely, it’s the game you enjoy playing, not the result.
But when it come to Premade Group and you spend 45 minute to be accepted, the game is not the thing you do in the content but the Looking For Group picking class is the game, since when you will create group you will spend 45 mn to win and not picking someone and play.

And you can’t escape that, even when you will create group.
People who say that you can create your own group to negate that got it wrong : because you will became in time the cherry picker !
Since you will take time creating group, you will be more in time asking more of people… and more and more !


Let us remind why more accessibility for the Ranked PvP is important:

World of Warcraft is a MMORPG, containing many different content like Player versus Ennemies (PvE) and Player versus Player (PvP).
Each content got a systems of progress : More you go into the difficulty, more it will reward you with ilevel gear.

Random Battleground is the Unranked content of World of Warcraft PvP, Where when you hit level level 60 you buy your first unranked gear in the PvP Vendor with honor aquired when leveling in random battleground and then continue to progress that equipement throught Random Battleground.
Until with Renown level 22 you upgrade that gear to 197 ilevel.

However the simplicity of going into Random Battleground attract even the Ranked PvP.

The explaination come from the Premade group as said in the top of the topic, because of the 10 step required in order to join a group.
And thing is getting harder : more you will push into the rating, the harder it will be for you to find someone.
To a point where when you start to be high ranked you could find people in Premade Group where they afk to write in description their battletag to be added in friend list in order to make a list of people with the same rating.

But you want to play

You want when you connect into the game to go in, bypassing the 10 step and in a simple click you go in into your content.
And That what Random Battleground and Arena Skirmishes offer : a simple button to click and you got content.

So to avoid Ranked Player with 227 ilevel going down to the bracket where Unranked Player is 197 ilevel, is not to decline the content, but setting a solo queue in Ranked PvP to continue the Unranked player with his progression and also forging his own experience further he play; to meet new people and friend he will do along the way with a solo queue into the Ranked PvP without passing the 10 step barrier you encounter today with Premade Group.

It’s all about meeting new people we don’t know to discover them and enjoying together, that we become friend and queuing together to become a team later on !
While the Premade Group you will spend 45 minutes on the 10 step for the Destination, to only get at the place and being done with it.


Solo Queue : Improvement for the Premade Group

Some tend to believe that Solo Queue will tend to make Premade Group less important because people will queue on Solo Queue instead. And Solo Queue will increase the toxicity in the game.

I will say that it will make Premade Group more valuable and a more enjoyable place. With more positivity and more friendship.

One of Blizzard Game Heroes of the Storm got a great systems of Solo Queue and got a great systems to deal with toxicity : Fight toxicity with toxicity.

Also Premade Group will make more sense about long term friendship.
Today when you join or create into Premade Group, it’s rare you invite in battle.tag the other player in your friend list under gladiator ( at least a grand majority don’t nowaday).

Someone who do Solo Queue will meet up a vast possibility of composition than just the tier list composition of his class. He will discover that some comp will fit him more than some other. And find comp that don’t work for him.

Here come the utility of the Premade group :
That player who have played quite a lot of Solo Queue will then note each of his favorite comp and then go in Premade Group to find people to befriend with and add them to his Battle.net friend list.


Premade Group will still be superior to Solo Queue

People who have queued a lot of Random Battlegrounds understand the power of Premade Group :

  • Player that got the same skill
  • Speaking on voice
  • Team Coordination

These are the pillar of why Premade group will always be superior to Solo Queue.
And it’s great because it values the part of the RPG into the MMO, value the friendship and communication than always being Solo.

Solo Queue and Premade Group will be on the same queue :

  • Premade group will get more chance to win and so go go upper in the ladder.
  • Solo Queue player that will face Premade group will not suffer that much being solo since premade group will maybe goes upper on the ladder faster than someone who Solo Queue.
  • Sometime it’s not because a team is premade that the Premade Group will 100% win

Solo Queue player is not left alone versus Premade group. Here some tool that can make a Solo Queue Player closely matching a Premade Group :

  • In game vocal : Many forget but when you queue into Random Battleground, any people can join instance in game vocal to be in vocal with Random Player in his team.
  • Battlegrounds Ennemies ( Great Addons) : Great addons for focus target without using voice, you see how much allies is targeting the ennemies and you see directly their composition (if you want to know where is the rogue on the map, click on his bar on Battlegrounds Ennemies and you will target him, if not that mean he’s on stealth).
  • REporter ( Great Addons ) : Great addons that show you a minimap, and on that minimap you can see your team and if there’s a black dot on their color class dot this mean they are in combat. it also get a bar under the minimap to call directly on tchat status of people incoming ( 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 5+ ) or the status of your base ( Help / Clear ) or command on objective / base ( Attack / Heavely Defended / Guard / Losing ). A must have if you do Solo Queue Battlegrounds.
  • Capping ( Addons ): To share in tchat timer when a base will be capped or when the winner will win. Good for Solo Queue.

With those tools, Player is not let alone to his progress. and got great tool to befriend with other people along his journey to solo queue.
Until he will growth enought to join the Premade Group.

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Too late for me to read this much, but I want to support Solo queue RBG’s. I’ll read it tomorrow but yes! I’ll become addicted to solo queue RBG’s. Even solo queue arena. Skirmishes are fun but they get pointless real quick. Adapting to random team comps takes more skill anyways.

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If ranked solo/duo RBG que ever comes to live , there must be somekind of ilevel minimum for that, because when 20k HP guy join your group, he is just empty slot, anyone can bypass his health and send him to death with burst, so if they allow undergeared people ton RBG solo/duo it will be an issue.

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That will be a problem if we implement it right now.
But let’s set us at the very day launch of shadowland
You hitted your first level 60 , you are 140 ilevel.
You queue up in Solo Queue , you meet people that dinged level 60 with 140 ilevel too.
And so your progress start here.

The second thing can be that if there’s a 210 ilevel that join Solo Queue, that player will wait a opponent that is in range of 3 ilevel ( 207 - 213) that gonna be matched with and he will join a queue with him.

Well not if people and blizzard use healhtly sanity and logic… Because look in any rated game, there is people who gonna tryhard, so its unfair to them that guys with 20k hp joins game to ruin it, get first at least 200ilevel than play, its not hard at all, but you cannot use rated BG to gear your toon, because this will frustrate people who maybe tryhard…

Game currently cry for solo/duo rated RBG bracket, it woud be my top 1 wow activity if ever come to life, im kinda bored of playing versus those low skill meta comps from game to game

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Wouldn’t poke Ranked with a ten foot pole to be honest, its okay and all, but i’m not a PvPer
Sadly, the Mage Tower’s best skins are locked behint 10 Ranked victory
Time to time I try, fail, fail my team, and so on, and feel horrible for a sec or two, because ruined other’s people fun
But if I want that skin I have to do something that I don’t like and I’m horrible in it thus dragging others down
Truly great system

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The thing is you gonna match people of your ilevel so if there’s a 20k in your group there will be a 20k hp in front too.

Also remember people who is geared already just will speed up the climbing until it match them, so they don’t stay lower bracket like we see in Random Battleground today where we see mythic player joining Random Battleground for killing 170 ilevel player

So why would you do random anymore if you can just queue rated and farm conquest/get better gear ?

There are literally 7 groups in the LFG tool at any given time of day advertising itself as “Low CR anyone welcome farming conquest” or similar…

If the Mythic+ community can do it, so can you.

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Because Random Battleground is mostly not played for reward, but for killing.
That how the majority enjoy the random battleground is because you queue in, you met anyone and you go into the middle and kill people, winning or loosing does that not matter in Random Battlegrounds.

In Rated Battlegrounds it’s more objective focus in order to win, it’s not i go middle and i kill everything.

If you aren’t met how different the style of enjoyement is between Random Battleground and Rate Battleground, here some videos :

Random Battleground enjoyement :

Rated Battleground ( tank Point of View ) :

It’s totally 2 different thing of content.




You litterally posted just to post on the topic.
Because you forgot that M+ if you untime key you don’t lose anything.
in ranked PvP when you lose you not only lose the gale but you lose rating.
It’s almost like you loose raider.io when you leave or untime a key.

also you have just looked on the Premade Group, that mean you just have done 2 step out of 10.
Where everyone can do it.
Now do the other 7 step to join a Ranked PvP and then you will understand the topic why it is important.
Because you don’t want to spend 45 mn.

No, I didn’t forget that. I was just awake enough to release that if you solo queue RBG’s then you have about as much control as you do with those groups anyway.

If you’re interested in going higher you will need strong coordination, and fortunately for you those kinds of groups exist as well.

I agree there should be solo queue for rated BG, BUT I would make it a separate section, not put up against pre mades who will most probably wipe the floor with a random pug group, hence wasting everyones time and having a free kill for the premade.
This would help on the massive gearing gap between pvp and pve right now.
If there was a solo option, I’m sure there would be a mad rush to join.
It wouldn’t result in high rating for anyone, so elite pvprs shouldn’t complain either.

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No offense,but what adapting you are talking about?

You have 20 k achi points,which means you play this game for a long time,and max rating you achieved is 1550.

Nothing personal,but 99% people who want solo queue are people who were never able to reach 1800 rating in anything,let alone 2100 or higher.

You don’t use lfg because you know you won’t get invited.

Why?

Because you are not good at pvp.

Why?

Because you don’t care about pvp,if you did you had 10 years to practice and to get good.

Why do you think you specifically deserve solo rated queue?

Why do you think you can actually contribute your teammates,and how can you actually contribute?

Only way you can contribute to rated solo queue is to enemy team with your lack of skill.

I dont want to get matched with you,and thank God solo rated queue doesn’t exist.

I care about my rating,and you obviously don’t.

You would join for fun,and ruin game for other 2 players who joined to make progress.

You gonna fight premades and you gonna love it,even when you lose, you gonna love it and you won’t have right to say nothing because you asked for solo rated queue.

You would separate already small player base into 2 different sections.

You are complaining about random bg’s and how you end up vs premades or 226 ilvl geared people,you are complaining about arenas,you are complaining about system that won’t even be in place,like ever…

Why do you play game at all,since you are ungrateful like that?

Some people and their IQ…

And reason why would people rush to solo rated queue is because everyone would expect to get carried.Exact same way random bg’s are atm.

You enter av,and out of 40 people,3 players are defending bunkers/towers or doing objectives.

Same goes for every other bg.

Where did you get idea from that its going to be any different in rated solo queue?

Every single slacker,leecher and their grandmother is going to rush to queue solo rated.

What? Literally 0 CR 0 EXP people can find groups in LFG. Do you not think there are other 0 CR 0 EXP people?

Correct. I don’t care about the current state of PVP.
Solo queue would help me care more.

Across my alts i’ve played thousands of BG’s.

Shortly after I started playing WoW I went from unranked to 1600 in RBG’s in 1 month with randoms. It was fun but the reality is random struggle to win after a certain point, you simply can’t match the organisation and communication of a organised roster in voice.

Deserve? This is a video game buddy.

Somebody doesn’t understand the concept of MMR or how rating works. Instead of being mad at everyone and somewhat aggressive I could just educate you?

If you cared and I don’t you’d climb out of my rating bracket and not get me in your games. It’s a simple concept, I don’t understand why it alludes you.

PS my 2v2 & 3v3 exp is higher than your current mains (which I believe to be your only main) and we have the same RBG exp. Don’t get all elitist on me, you’re talking like a glad when you’re the same exp as me, someone who hasn’t touched arena since Legion or RBG’s since MoP. :L

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Except they all want specific classes/specs, lol.

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Hehe I wish is was like that. Some RBGs at low CR (even at 1.5k) feel like random BGs. I have been trying to get some games in warrior alt and it’s a pain.

Blizzard should definitely do something about RBGs activity.
If you are new to PvP, without Glad or HotH you really take an hour to find a group if you even get into one; hard to find a community that accepts people without a decent CR/EXP.

If they make matching somewhat fair to all players involve, solo queue could solve some of the huge problems I think this activity has at the moment.

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No. There’s literally one right now called “low cr no brain accepting anyone” lol

good video… WoW become more staring to LFG table than playing, this robbing people from being better players, you cant become better player if play game is denied from you… RIO score bring discimination and fake elitism in PVE for example, people beahve like they gonna tommorow play on tournaments, community litelary become bottom barrel