Arms spec for dungeons.
Sweeping strikes → Whirlwind and u will never have threat issues again.
After that u go def stance
thunderclap?
take 2h, arms spec, def stance and go. easier threat than in retail.
this shild tanking and prot spec is a meme. you only make the dungeon an awful experience for everyone. instead of being a stubborn lost in 2004 and imposing silly/slow gameplay on others, try to adapt to wide spread knowledge. or dont. idc
Sword and board is fine to learn the pulls and get more confidence. Let the trigger happy dps die. They’ll learn or leave.
When you get better gear you can switch to fury prot and dual wield and use the shield for the fights you need it.
Thunderclap is waste if rage
AS a healer player, I think this is wrong. Damage reduction from plate armor is worth alot, on melee mobs. Also pre casting heals, and cancelling them when they are not required becomes hard or impossible. And you will go oom fast when you have to keep healing multiple players in cloth or leather gear.
I really really prefer, if my mage or rogue doesnt constantly drop down to 20% health.
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The tank using demoralizing shout/roar is a bigger damage reduction difference than a mail war and a plate war. As priest you can use prayer, which is the most efficient way to heal. Shamans have chain heal.
Rogues do have a lot of avoidance making them somewhat similar to any tank at this gear level, as wearing any kind of mitigation now will be too much of a loss when it comes to threat when unbuffed.
This is theory talk, imo. I disagree with most of what you said. Yes shamans have chain heal, so what? Chain heal is not going to safe you from getting one shotted as mage. Rogue evasion tanking, is a myth or a meme at best.
You really only want your tank to take damage, and you really want them to have high damage reduction. Otherwise things get messy. That is at least in my experience the case. I healed all dungeons up to brd, so far on hardcore.
For the most part in dungeons you will be drinking when they are killing a pack, stop drinking near the end of it top them off, move forward and start drinking again as combat ends. What you’re describing sounds like you would have really slow clear times. I’m not suggesting using rogues as a main tank, but on every pack they can pretty much tank a mob along with the warrior, assuming he has the two brain cells requrired to use demoralizing shout
If you are adressing me. I didnt talk about drinking at all. Personally, I drink at the first quater of each pack or second third pack. Given, I dont have to stop because some dps pulled aggro and I have to emergency heal.
it seems like you’ve never played dps either. A mage is not going to get one shot. Mages have among the best survivability with blink, barrier, iceblock and slows. Letting mages just hold aggro with a blizzard on most mobs is one of the best ways for DPS to continue when the healer is drinking. The packs or bosses where you want a tank wearing a shield are probably single digit, massive exceptions to the rule.
As a druid you should be drinking every pack with prehots rolling as the pull starts.
You sound like pirate software tbh. Very condescending. I disagree with you. No reason to stoop low.
Also you should not pre hot, because it generates aggro. You want to give the tank some time, which is what this topic is about I guess.
Also I didnt say shield. Its the second time you bring something up I didnt even mention. Are you trying to pull some sort of straw man?
I neither said something about drinking, nor about shields. I said, I dont want spread my heals across 3-4 different people because its a hot mess. And I said, dps classes take too much damage. Even if not their health pool is small, giving a smaller window, less drinking time, ect.
Saying this all from a hardcore perspective, where you cant afford a wipe because some mage thought he should be pulling packs with blizzard.
Alas, I am almost 60, so I must have done something right.
You should always prehot in dungeons. You don’t generate threat when you are not in combat, which you shouldn’t be when drinking.
I don’t care what you brought up or not, you were the one responding to my initial statement.
Being 60 is not an achievement
“Also you should not pre hot, because it generates aggro. You want to give the tank some time, which is what this topic is about I guess.”
maybe get your dementia sorted before you try to argue something, nothing you say is in good faith. You are very much like Pirate Software yourself.
If you prehot you literally give the tank more time btw. l2p before u start talking stuff on the forums
The healing you get from a hot after the enemies are in the fight to count towards threat though, so lets say the tank gets hit by one mob and the rest of the pack are running over, the tank would have 0 threat on them and the healer would have a little bit of threat on them ergo they just run towards the healer. Should easily be mitigated by a battle shout or demo but it would still cause a slightly worse pull
No, the healer generates 0 threat as long as he doesn’t enter combat with the pack. It doesn’t matter if there are ranged mobs unless the healer would cast on someone in combat with the pack, which prehotting makes it less necessary. You would also be pulling like a monkey if you weren’t losing/interrupting casters in cases where you wouldn’t charge in on the casters.
The healer will generate threat while the hots tick. Its just doesn’t take affect until the healer enters combat. But once he does, he doesn’t start with 0 threat but the accumulated amount of the hot ticks. Plus there is faerie fire and insect swarm, making it more attractive to enter combat early as a druid. I don’t want to be sitting the entire fight out of combat.
no, it doesnt work like that. if your mana is not the bottleneck ur grp is doing something wrong
“thunderclap?” was ment like:
“why thunderclap?”
tc is 10% dmg reduction vs most physical mobs. it is worth using in some scenarios
we talk about classic 5 man dungeons or what?