The weekly "Power in RP and how to get other people's consent for it thread"

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Well this thread isn’t that bad, let’s take a read to…

Oh…Oh No…What have you done…Oh no…Oh my god.

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Yooo the GHI notebooks, now that was RP prime.

(((they))) will ignore this post.

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Enjoy getting send on vacation by blizzard lol

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new forums suck

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“Man I sure am having fun RP’ing a rebel against an increasingly Authoritarian regime!”

Authority stooges enter stage right

“Oh no, not like that!”

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Except the whole point wasn’t, as far as I understand, “Hey, we’re the rebellion”. In fact, quite the opposite. If I remember right the whole point was “We don’t want to be a rebellion ('cos that was a :poop:show last time, i.e. MoP) so we’re going to go off and do our own thing with those who don’t like the current direction while still being For the Horde. Then everyone’s happy.”

Except, apparently, some people didn’t want to hang fire until we actually know which way (albeit, it doesn’t seem like anyway other than the obvious…) the devs are going to take things.
And so now we’re here.

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In all of this ruckus, I am not surprised the link Rogmasha offered has faded into the background, but it’s a good read, so I will quote some relevant bits.

[social power] requires agreements and a good standing on an out-of-character level to be trusted enough to exert any sort of social power over a character, and it is often the most difficult to compromise

And if that player feels uncomfortable or unwilling to participate and acknowledge your power - because possibly you haven’t acknowledged him or her the way he or she wanted to - then you won’t manage to exert your power over them, however reasonable it might be that you really should. You might argue that this is crossing the OOC/IC line, but it is the fact of the matter that people’s personal feelings can only be removed from roleplay to a certain extent - And really, if you’re not personally involved you’re not really enjoying it either, and it’s more like a chore.

There is an additional point which I believe is useful for this situation: ”I implore you to keep the values that I’ve mentioned here at heart, and to keep in mind that cooperation is the best medicine. Not compromise, cooperation.”

Rogmasha and her guild managed to go along with it just fine. It seems like, to me, kind of an outsider in the whole RP scene these days, she followed that very same guide she linked, trying to create cooperation and going along with the RP.

While I’d argue this has been handled in a positive way, for future reference I feel like the stygians should have been more straightforward about their intentions and should have warned OOCly (my sole remark is that duel RP to decide battle emote is likely imbalanced when you have geared and experienced duelists on your side): this way, everyone would feel like their presence is valued.

Edit.
This is mostly my impression from it, but I believe what we can do here is defuse the situation, because Rogmasha and HoC are doing fine on their own (I think?)

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Depending on what character you ask in that group, I guess - while Rogmasha despite being a figurehead might be very centre of the road there are 100% guys who have been spotted IC chatting to Alliance soldiers about how they can team up to bring Sylvanas down

Entirely unrelated to this situation - it was a normal emote fight

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I’m seeing quite a bit of chatter about how Guards within the Horde have little no power to arrest people which is blatantly wrong. Every example we have of Horde Justice comes (usually) from Orcs, for example, Warlord Bloodhilt who immediately assumes control of Desolation Hold in the Southern Barrens after the last commander didn’t help Taurajo. What does he do to the last commander? Blatantly drags him by the throat towards a window and sparta kicks him down it whilst calling Gar’dul a coward.

Or maybe Baine Bloodhoof who is arrested by Grunts under the orders of Sylvanas.

Saying that somebody is a Clan Chieftain does not grant them any immunity to Horde justice, especially not in Rogs case where her clan prefers the neutral route to helping either Faction in the Warfare.

The problem however that I can see lies in the fact that people felt it was distasteful that people were imprisoned/killed, what-have-you. The problem with that is it was rather well-known from the very beginning of all of this that those that joined the travelling band would be hunted down by the Hand as they were seen as complicit in what individuals tied to Rogmasha had done. Guilty by association.

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Though, he was literally sent there by Garrosh to fix the damage done by Gar’dul, so this is probably also an agreed upon order from Garrosh if Bloodhilt felt it was required - which it was.

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It wasn’t widely known to the 200+ people we’ve been organising this with, and such an encounter was not organised and not communicated to me, nor to our host as of when the encounter took place (Kotur). And, again, while I’m personally fine with that, I can empathise with the hosts who’re frustrated to see the writing and planning they’ve done go up in smoke.

It was indeed stated as the purpose of the initiative to try and avoid those big clashes that would present themselves by having us (and others) be in Orgrimmar, see: [H(/N?)-RP] A Roaming Hub - Session Three - Durotar's Heat! 🏜️ - #28 by Rogmasha-argent-dawn

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I normally don’t talk much :wink: But after reading about 20% of this thread, I feel inspired to say something about what happened from my point of view and the conclusions I’ve drawn from it.

I’m not very good at combat/violence RP and stay away from it when I can, I only engage in it when I trust the person on the other side enough. This might be why you’ve seen me flying around at RPvP events without actually landing. This way I can participate (scouting a bit) without having to kick actual hiney. (…Or get it kicked.) It’s unavoidable sometimes, but ah well! Stuff happens, right? :slight_smile:

So yeah! Knowing this, you can probably imagine my horror when we found ourselves set upon, heavily outnumbered, by a full raid group of Stygians, which happened twice now I believe…? The first time they allowed us to get away ‘in the nick of time’ though! This “letting them get away” was planned, I did not know this till after though, and found myself rather stressed at the time. I feel better about it now :slight_smile:

Anyway, Thunder Totem: First some rogues popped up, (I think I managed to stop one from poisoning Rog. Me! The one who normally never fights, ha!) and about a minute later the rest of the group cornered us in to the inn-room of Thunder Totem. We didn’t stand a chance… OR DID WE?

See, here’s the important thing I wish to share… I, personally, am not okay with this kind of thing so even though we were flocked upon; I ran. Even though technically I shouldn’t have been able to get out of that room: I did. Even though I got chased; I kept running. Even though I was whispered that someone was trying to catch me: I kept going.
Why? Was it bad RP? Did I panic? Was it godemoting? Perhaps, but I think of it more like my right to disengage from RP I cannot personally handle. And that’s okay! When I whispered the person back that I couldn’t do this, they respected my wishes and left me alone.
Eventually I calmed down a bit, went back to RP with my buddies, and was fine again :slight_smile:

Everyone has the right to back out at any point, it’s YOUR character, and YOU decide what happens to them. Rogmasha is a lot wiser than I am in this respect, they will never do anything they aren’t comfortable with.

I learned quickly that Rogmasha was okay with what was happening, and stayed calm, which always happens, really. I’ve never seen a distressed Roggie.
When I heard the Rotgarde and friends did not instantly kill her and is technically giving us an RP Opportunity to maybe free her (who knows!) I felt re-assured that even though they completely surprise us at times; they’re still a reasonable bunch!

So yeah… I feel a lot better about it now. But knowing my nerves… I’m going to RP around certain parts of this nerve-wracking story line the same way I do at RPvP events; From a safe distance… and only step in where I feel comfortable.

RP is a hobby, if it stresses you out in real life like it does me at times; you’re too close! Take a step back and breathe for a while, maybe do something else for a bit. It helps.

Thank you :slight_smile:

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Entirely true however if you glance around a few of the Novels as well - sadly we have no source on how the other horde races deal with issues other than Orcs - you’ll see that as the Horde progresses the one thing that stays true is that trials/judges etc. are non-existant. Thrall in MoP goes to immediately Pummel Garrosh with Doomhammer. Orgrim Doomhammer nearly outright murders Gul’dan - he does murder quite a few people who sided with Gul’dan.

Regardless it’s up to the players to create RP out of situations and scenarios like this and if you do not desire to take part whisper someone to talk about it or leave the situation.

It wasn’t widely known to the 200+ people we’ve been organising this with, and such an encounter was not organised and not communicated to me, nor to our host as of when the encounter took place (Kotur). And, again, while I’m personally fine with that, I can empathise with the hosts who’re frustrated to see the writing and planning they’ve done go up in smoke.

Apologies on my side then, Rogmasha, I wasn’t aware that’s how the situation was acted upon and I can understand why people might be angry that the events they had planned have had to be cut short or delayed. Communication should’ve been clearer on both sides, certainly, but as has been established awhile back in the thread I doubt people will ever agree how RP should be done. OOC communication? But then you could ruin a big plot or spoil something. IC? Then you have people who know nothing about it and want nothing to do with it complaining about the issue. It’s unfortunately something I doubt we’ll ever have a precise census on.

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He was Warchief at the time, and thus can do whatever he wished. :stuck_out_tongue:

And Thrall did act as an executioner as Warchief. He executed Brux in the book for consorting with demons and besmirching the Hordes honor. So its safe to say, probably, that Thrall was the executioner in most day to day basis in Orgrimmar, or he left others with orders to do so if required.

Garrosh pretty much does the same in Stonetalon against Krom’gar.

EDIT: Not saying Thrall executed people every day, ofc. He was however the one who carried it out, I think, most of the times in Orgrimmar if it called for it.

As he (Thrall) says in the book; " You have brought disgrace to Durotar, Burx. You have caused the dishonorable deaths of orc and troll and human warrior alike. This blight can only be eliminated by your death. As Warchief, it is my solemn duty to carry out that sentence. "

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Well i was quite looking forward to highmountain rp, then sudden Rot ambush… straigth after getting ambush by yakari’s aunt xD

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This is what happens when Mira goes away for the weekend. :cry:

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Completely agree. I am trying to stay at a safe distance as well, with my character choosing Quel’thalas, not Stygian Legion nor the ‘rebels’ , watching who will gain the upper hand.
The other day I was IC approached and asked whether she wants the Stygians destroyed and it made me a tad nervous because I didn’t want to get dragged in between the fronts with all the controversy attached to it (see this thread as example), but it was good tense RP at the same time. (I wasn’t at this event here, though)
Why do I still show in the guild I left over 2 weeks ago I don’t know.

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Your forum avatar probably just hasn’t been updated since then, simple relogging on the forums might do the trick.

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Do what Rosehelm said and also try relogging on the old version of the forums. I still don’t get why but it just works.

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The Armory is still hooked onto the old forum rather than the new Discourse platform; relogging on the old forum probably triggers a refresh in the right place to get everything up to date.

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