well, good for us that u are not to decide about it 
not if the 3rd tank has a set of DPS gear.
not sure you’re understanding me here…
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likewise!
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So, the 3rd tank would get to roll on dps items that would make the damage he does okay without talents for dmg?
yeah probably. im sure some guilds would allow tanks/dps specced people to roll on both tanking and dps gear which by default makes competing for loot even worse than it already is.
but in a random pug for a heroic dungeon? you can bet your sweet rear end that nobody is going to give 2 ****s about other peoples’ “main spec” prio on loot.
and that’s the main problem… you get a group for [dungeon] and everyone has dual specs… suddenly the healer/tank has to compete with 2-3 other people for their loot, and its safe to say the dpsers have to compete with everyone else in the group for theirs, including the tank and the healer whose 2nd spec is likely dps.
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I’m not sure in what kind of guilds you are playing in. I’ve been playing for years in wrath [redacted] servers. Been in some of the best guilds that were there and not once did anyone demand me to preform a role beside the one I’ve joined as. Unless I contacted them that I wished to change what I do.
Let me make myself crystal clear here. I don’t care about dual spec. It will not happen at least I think it’s extremely unlikely that it will. Yet if it were I would be ok with it.
On the dungeon loot, you mean that I had to compete with the tanks “flask set” and how this was an issue since the beginning like tank druids /w ing me that they will need on every healing item? It’s just the nature of playing with others you don’t know.
Guy is clueless troll. My advice is to stop feeding him 
u’re right about what u said.
private servers a small tight-knit communities that are dying by the day as official servers are being released where losing your character, progress and time investment is not something to worry about.
so A: they can’t really afford to make demands that you do this or that
and B: everyone there has dual specs, so im sure someone would simply volunteer to do it in your place if you were really insistent on not doing whatever it is the raid leader wants you to do.
and C: we’re not talking about WOTLK, we’re talking about TBC, so stay on topic broski.
On the dungeon loot, you mean that I had to compete with the tanks “flask set” and how this was an issue since the beginning like tank druids /w ing me that they will need on every healing item? It’s just the nature of playing with others you don’t know.
Yes, and you want to put that aids mentality on steroids because you want convenience. so how about you come up with an argument why this kind of behavior should be intensified and embraced? “its just the way its always been” is not good enough, because having dual spec would actually give justification for toxicity like that, whereas right now, you are classified as a ninja and quickly soil your reputation by doing it.
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oh, so because i’m starting to make sense and came up with a whopping 3 arguments (none of which you have managed to refute btw) i am suddenly a troll who is posting cringe.
top discussion skills m8, 10/10.
go away now.
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It’s on topic, as you can’t talk about the effects of dual spec without an environment that has it. The FRESH obsession of the p community is the one that will kill it and why I’ve stopped careing for them.
Again I’m not sure what kind of guilds you are playing with, it’s extremely unusual to make these kind of demands of anyone. Most who I’ve played with had a backbone and will not be forced into playing roles they do not care for.
if you think guilds are not making demands to their members it just tells me you’ve not played classic a whole lot.
do you know how many times a day i’m being seriously or jokingly told to respec to restoration on my shaman? i’m sure all the other hybrid specs are suffering the same.
the majority of guilds will consider anything short of Holy Paladin, Resto Shaman and Feral/Resto Druids to be complete dead weight and literally demand that they play these specs “or else”.
wanna play boomkin, retri, prot, enh, ele?? too bad, those are meme specs and you will be benched for 50% of raids and only brought along as a token of kindness, not actually because they need you.
if you claim this is not happening in the majority of guilds everywhere, then you are just plain wrong.
I’ve been raiding since the launch. I’ve joined a guild that doesn’t care for this we’ve had a shadow and an enhance in the last KT kill. Your point?
Maybe if you want to play a certain way look for those who are thinking the same and not be a coward and comply because someone said so.
What does “learn to play” have to do with dual spec ? god, you are so dumb and childish.
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i did just that, thank you very much.
that doesn’t mean i don’t get trash talked and down-prioritized purely because of my choice of spec, though.
Good for you, they can talk that’s all those kind are good for. But we are getting of topic.
I can’t see any non speedrun focused guilds trying to force dual raid spec on it’s players. Main issue with it would be the loot(outside of unwillingness). Offspecs in any reasonable guild would get nothing but the scraps instead of disenchant.
But yet again it’s very unlikely that dual spec will happen.
are u aware that you are not able to change spec inside the raid ???the very first dual spec we had in wotlk only worked in a rested area iirc…even so u couldnt change it inside dungeons…ur post is cringe
everyone (including the absolute plebians that still wipe on anub’rekhan) are trying to be speed runner wannabes these days.
i’ve seen the speedrun mentality slowly but surely creep into the minds of every single guild i’ve ever been in, in classic so far.
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thankfully there is a solution for that, and its called summoning inside dungeons.
get a mage port or HS, switch spec, get summon, done.
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We need Dual-Spec!!
it’s a casual friendly QOL change that won’t disturb the experience!!
(you know it! more casuals = more groups for dungeons = more subscription for Blizzard = healthy server population)
i literally just gave 3 good examples of how it disturbs the experience.
its beyond “QOL” its a straight up character upgrade and by extension a raid group upgrade.
but alas, guess i can’t expect people to read a thread before making an input.
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