We fight with one reason in mind, get as much honour as possible each game. -not true, running in 30-40 man groups gives sh1t honor, you are just clueless. lucky to be on the heavy map favored side.
Did some AV with a group of 5 tonight, with us leading and taking command we actually won 3 games in a row and lost the others but managed to scrape enough additional honor from Ltâs and towers to make it worth while.
Actually noticed less AFKs than Iâm used to, so Iâm hoping the banwave deterred them a little (dunno tho, there are usual suspects who got banned on my realm who are back to afkâing already lol). Just got to make sure to keep reporting them.
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Noticing groups of Alliance taking the game by the scruff of the neck, but at the same time Iâm noticing a major disregard for defence on the part of the Horde over the past couple of weeks. Theyâll defend SF or IB once but as soon as they get past IWB itâs a lost cause. They donât want to know. Major scrub mentality.
Iâve noticed this too. The hardest part is trying to encourage some alliance to recall to base and wipe them. If we did that more often weâd win more games.
I think people are still stuck in the rush mentality from premade days. It will change slowly and surely.
I also find that the horde seem to act a little overconfident and are then slipping up more on defense and tenacity.
Give it time and I hope that the quality of AV games will improve.
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Did you observe the same behaviour?
Some groups scrap all the honor from the game then leave the Alliance to die.
Ex-premade still hurting their own faction.
I am still wondering what result could be expected if they really wanted to win and not farm honor, donât you?
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Real problem in âunaggressive cowardice players choose allianceâ department, not in pvp and AV in general lol.
Your team must be rlly bad if half team arrive ib and they manage to keep it. I want to play vs your team so i can have some free wins. 20 ally (if they reach it that many) fighting nonstop without reinforcements while 20 hordes spawn every 30 sec from horde caves reaching ib in very few time. No matter how good you defend, eventualy you get oom and is gg. On premades we had 30 ppls there and ofc it was possible to defend, but with 20 or less without reinforcement from SF, its pretty hard or impossible to do. Also horde will never let 20 ally to reach ib. Like i told you, your team must be very bad to lose like this. You must be very bad and you should feel bad.
About ally advantages? Tell me one? You can put 10 more elites npc or remove them all, cause it doesnt matter. Once we are stuck north without sh is gg. We wont pass the choke.
Fighting in mid helps you a lot cause like i said eventualy you push as back, you get sf then you manage to push enough to get sh. After sh we hear Icelord boss arrived. If we summon our druids, some of your smart casters will kite them behind the lined and no matter how much we protect them they still die. Same story if we have ib gy. Your shamans will die.
Like i say. Play some games as ally and we will talk after.
Deffinitely i am very bad, and my team is ultranoobish. May be this is why atm i barely lose a game. I cant count the games in which horde was literary farmed and we still won. And we did it not because of the map, the racials, the distances, the spawn points and whatever excuse you are trying to find. We did it because we did not give up. When you cant break IB contain, go around. Smashing your head in the meatgrinder is bad, yet this is what ally does. When ally plays smart, games are very close. You refuse to defend most of the time, or not enough players do it on your side. Horde learned to report - number and classes of enemies, direction of movement, call for correct number of reinforcements etc. Due to your ânot against TOS premadesâ alliance is at least 1 month back from developing this playstyle.
So it is up to you and nothing else, insult me as hard as you wish with your ally bias, if you dont try hard you will lose again and again.
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They just canât realise this, theyâre too busy doing map layout analysis and wonât realise the change they need to incur is on the play style, though I understand itâs hard to make players change when only a few can compute the problem. Just accept the majority of players just donât have the required intellect to observe such things, just like in real life people tend to be very basic what else should we expect from people in a video game.
HPH in WSG is already xx times higher (if you win fast).
If you lose WSG (and getting farmed at GY) then you have no other choice them AV.
So your proposion wonât have any effect, ppl still would queue for honor the are ABLE to get.
The ban wave scare probably wonât last sadly starting to see some of same old afkers coming back on the horde side now.
well you canât guarantee to win WSG⌠on average i am 100% sure AV is higher honor/hour.
Also at least for me WSG always has a 10 minute queue so thatâs 10 minutes of downtime 0 honor per game.
What do you mean you have 10 minutes queues for WSG? Are you in the 59 bracket?
Please decide. You are wining or not? You say life is hard, map allied biases but you also say you win most of them now. Ofc horde won most of them just because the map.
Like i said, ill say again. Play as ally few games, and after we will talk more.
And i think you got it wrong woth ib. Problem is not attacking it when is full reinforcement by horde. Problem is to hold it without reinforcments while horde cames in waves (20 each ress wave cause cave, instead of 10 as usually gy ress). And you also reach ib very fast from cave, faster then from fw. Why u dont get res from fw with 10 as we get after lossing sh? Why u get ressed by 20 in cave and reach so much time faster? There was a guy who made test and explained in seconds how fast ally reach a point and how much horde does. All horde favored.
So, to hold ib withouth sf, you need 30 ally to fight so well to keep the gy as horde assaults in waves of 20 continuous while 10-15 horde are burning our undefended base cause we cannot spare to send 1 man back fo def until we have ib. But if we have sf, its easier to reinforce ib. Even so, we cannot afford to cap towers to defend or anything else until ib becomes ours.
If we go for sf, then hordes will gather 30 at least and charge as they would charge to defend drek himself, cause they know how important sf is.
SH is harder to get defended. Ib is easier. And we can attack flag from one way only with towers on our back in the way. There is a choke point you can easy close our advance to south. If we stay sh flag you can just pass near us. So stop this nonsense with allied biased.
I salute your will to defend your faction but i donât respect nonsense and manipulation.
Play a game as alliance. Play few. If you dont have ally char, find a friend who has. Ask him how it is.
One guy said many times that would be an awesome experiment to switch map for a week, for ally to have south and horde north. We would see again the horde cris as we saw on premades time.
You know what is not intended? For 10 hordes to mess van to move back and forward not hiting anything because one horde is abusing path wall in van room while others 9 are killing it freely.
And one more thing. If we take in gy and start advancing south you still have time to burn our bunkers and possible to kill our boss, while if we lose sh and no sf or ib then we wont get a single tower. We would be lucky if somehow after you take stormpike, we manage to sneak few to south to kill few lts until van dies. So tell me how is this ally biased? Tell me 1 think is ally biased.
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Do you have ANY proof that horde cave ress is 20 people and not 10 like every other GY or are you just taking a alliance biased post at face value because it suits your agenda? the post provides ZERO evidence just a vague reference to âtwice as many rezzingâ
And if cave rez is 20 people then both caves are 20 rezing.
You must play another version of Classic than us. It is becoming a routine strategy (9/10 last games), a big group of Allies breaking through east side and catch IB GY. They dismount and fight if engaged. Yes, if they take IB GY, and no one will ever reinforce them, they eventually will lose IB GY. But thatâs common sense. The same applies to 20 Horde, capturing SH GY. You must reinforce them if you want to keep it.
DruidsâŚLast game we were ready to capture SP, when Allies summoned Druids. We were pushed back and almost lost SH GY (SH bunker was destroyed and that helped us).
PS: I lost three games in a row, where IB GY was lost, and we never managed to retake it. About 20 Allies with more than 5 healers.
Alliance changed their tactics, and games are much more competitive.
If that means playing with the current alliance players that are mostly scrubs blaming the map for their inability to fight then obviously the results would be as you suggest. Would need to entirely reverse and have full teams of horde players queing alliance side and bringing the horde tryhard mentality that the alliance lacks to prove your point wrong.
Next time you ress at cave, pls count. You will find the truth. We ally get at cave only after we lose stormpike. This doesnt help us in retake sh. Cause when we ress from stormpike, instead of cave like you, we get 10 ppls only and it takes much more time to reach sh then you have to reach in. Seems you need to, to play some games as ally
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Again DO YOU have ANY proof of 20 people rezing or are you just taking that alliance biased cry baby post at face value because it fits your victim mentality?
Its up to you to provide ME with the evidence when you put forth such a claim.
Druids wont help much if you have sh like shamans wont help you while we have ib. Why? Cause a smart range can easy kite then 1 by 1 behind the lines and rekt them.
But as i said before. If we get ib you still are able to burn north. If you take sh and we are stucked borth then we got nothing
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