SH is indeed a chokepoint. But:
-Horde do not stand there and guard it (as should). They ALL go north for SP GY. Some Allies groups pass south (Harpies’ side)band try to get GYs and towers.
- I still don’t understand, why you NEVER manage to keep us on our way to SP GY. In Vanilla we had epic fights at that part if the map. Now I see 10 Allies maximum, trying to defend. I am almost sure, that Allies quit trying, after SH bunker is lost. Tell me, isn’t that a mentality problem?
I agree to fix any teal issues (cave?). But that must be done by “experts”, and not by desperate players. Because sometimes, balance is a vey thin line and could result in reversing the imbalance.
I’d say it depends on number of geared hunters. Hunters is the class that rules AV.
Dude, horde always def sh until is taken and bunkers are burned, as they should. Only after they go stormpike. While you charge for stormpike your boss is already summoned. All we can do is to try sneak by to kill some lts before you kill van. Sometime ppls def stormpike sometimes not. How does it matter when the game is already lost after sh become ours and we stucked north?
You are one of the few hordes who actually use their minds and not afraid to admit some things. I respected you for that.
Like i said, if sh is lost and we stucked north, no matter how hard we try we cannot pass the icewing choke. And we get no towers, while you get if you lose ib gy. Tell me this is fair
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That’s easy, looks like each ancestor spirit can ress up to 10 ppl at once. You must have experienced the situation when you get at GY before ress timer tick, but still remain dead. GYs has one spirit, caves have two.
Interesting read… I’ll admit I haven’t done PvP to the extent that I assumed I would when coming into Classic, but I also went into AV (originally) under the impression that it was highly skewed towards the Alliance, so it’s interesting to see that (right now at least) Horde seem to be dominating.
Nice write up.
Because the only way to pass that choke is to steamroll the horde blob, which the alliance never does because that requires dismounting and fighting instead of rushing and dodging pvp clashes. This is the harsh truth my goth Paladin friend, the alliance rarely groups up and puts up a fight, once this mentality improves, the win ratios or honor per match gains will also improve.
Its hard to pass Icewing Bunker because Horde players rez just next to it (SH GY) and reinforce quickly.
What could be done, is keep Horde near SP GY and a team try to pass IW from west side. But as I said before, most Allies at that point, give it up, and those who fight (respect for them) are not enough.
Gothric, I don’t find towers/bunkers as a big advantage. My Priest (I play only that character), is very badly geared. And still fighting under bunkers is not more than an annoyance to me.
Try to lead. Sometimes people listen. There are some elemental mistakes Allies do:
-going straight for Galvangar (lately they stopped doing that)
-too many going for SF, which leaves IB attacking group lacking power.
-splitting in more than two groups for multiple goals (and achieving non)
-passiveness, sometimes they are doing nothing at all
I find Alliance, to perform better and better lately. A week before, in all my games, we were stomping them. Not anymore. Many times we barely win and get almost equal bonus honor.
I even lost three games in a row. All three had a common of skilled and equipped Warriors with many healers. And another common. Horde players are so used to win easily, they refuse to massively defend. I guess we have a big portion of honor/hour fans ourselves.
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mate are you playing the same game? ever qued wsg as pug at off hours or as premade? Horde is absolutely rinsed there regardless of “tryhard mentality”, and that bg actually requires pvp knowledge unlike AV. This is bad map design, both sides are filled with randoms, its just easier to hold ibgy as horde.
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Worry not, when i play av i lead. Usually 2 teams, one defend sh and one sf. Depends of classes both ally and horde have, we can succeed or not. The point is: its to much harder and requires lots more effort to win a game as ally with this current map. Its very stressful, each game feel like a rated bg. Thats why lately i play more wsg. Its easier and funnier. I love av, but wont become bald and white haired because of it. On wsg, pug vs pug ally win more. Premade vs premade ally wins more.
Ill stand with wsg for now but i cannot suffer when some ppls ignore the facts, ignore the truth and are filling forums with false information.
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Yeah I know, the alliance actually fights in WSG unlike AV where they afk and hide or just ride the opposite direction of the horde blob. It’s the BG that incentives and better rewards slacking. As I say when I join an AV there’s 70 AVS running and I don’t know what happens on the ones you join, but trust me the ones I join are filled with slacking alliance that don’t fight so what can I say… Start fighting.
People say, that Paladins, are the main reason for Alliance winning more in WSG. I don’t play WSG in Classic, so I don’t know if its true. But it would be a good explanation, because a single fight every 5 min, is all it takes to capture a flag. A healer, that cannot be interrupted and gives BoP and BoF, is a big advantage.
Should we ask for Paladin nerf, if that is the main reason? If not, Alliance players are more skilled?
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The biggest difference is that they actually play and put effort to win in that map.
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And Horde players, not trying?
I suppose they do but get outclassed. My point is the problem with alliance in AV is they’re not even trying, while in WSG they do and outclass the horde there, thus they can potentially outclass the horde in AV too… if they try. Now they might have stopped trying due to this train of the map is biased so not even worth trying, if that’s the case it’s a mentality problem and in my opinion no excuse not to try.
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Hahah
Hitler (mentality) guy 
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Can’t see why you would say that based on what I wrote. Sorry you can’t comprehend or just misinterpreted.
I ll just put some of my posts text
Oh sacrilegious!!!
You should never say that alliance and horde players are not different regarding skill or mentality.
People (trolls and forum wannabies) honestly believe that those are very different grp of ppls (for some reason that flow their boats rly well) and if alliance player rerol horde either world will explode or player will became skilled and avare with winner mentality
Thats it
What’s that got to do with a Hitler mentality or my own observations of the AV matches I take part in? And yes the player base is obviously different from faction to faction at least in general, obviously an alliance gamer dad won’t magically become skilled if he rerolls horde but he will only be one amongst many, so generally speaking player bases are different or at least have different behaviours. There’s scrubs both sides but you’re really naive if you can’t see which faction has the larger number of those queueing for AV.
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O boi u are wrong on so many levels.
But like I said whatever flow ur boat.
No hard feelings buddy.
Love
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Ok mate. That’s still besides my main point which is the alliance doesn’t fight in AV. But not that I really care about pve bgs and the alliance win ratio there anyway. Tbf AV getting all this attention and salt is just pathetic and we have to thank blizzard for that due to this crap version they gave us. Had we had the older version and no one would really care about AV in the first place as no one would queue for it after exalted and people would play WSG instead. Imagine all these players despairing about a crap BG that should be irrelevant.