Horde was losing ON EXACTLY THE SAME MAP 15 YEARS AGO LIKE 90% OF THE GAMES.
Explain that FACT for yourself then come cry here.
Just occurred to me that actually while this is true and a reroller wonât get magically skilled, he can however pick up on the faction morale, and if you think morale doesnât play a huge part then what I can say, just keep saying Iâm wrong while you keep losing and unable to grasp these concepts. Queuing for AV and read in the raid chat âkill them all, leave no survivorsâ and feel the morale while you clash with the few alliance that engage or queueing AV and read in the raid chat âlet them winâ are two very different experiences, one is obviously much more inspiring so even the noobs will feel confident and galvanized. Ignore this if you want, at the end of the day itâs your problem to fix, not blizzards.
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Speak for yourself, up until premading was made impossible I did not lose a single AV and 99% of all games were about 7-8min long. All depended on which premade you played with.
And I turtled 99% of my games and won 110% of those
Made up statistical numbers are fun!
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So you are boasting you managed to capitalise on your REAL unfair advantage and now you cry because suddenly you discovered it is hard to win on equal grounds. On top of that probably you are also lying, because my personal experience is very different. We lost most of the time vs premades, but for sure we didnt lose ALL. Horde has beaten quite a few of them.
The more I think, the more i tend to believe that premading really forced the horde players to try hard, be and army and not a flock of headless chicken and never give up.
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Av have more paladins than av. Why av is not won as wsg? Cause map, thats why
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Why do you chose to keep ignoring that in wsg the alliance has 10 players fighting while in AV the alliance players only run away from fights and slack, I mean are you blind? Join an AV and look at your team and come back and tell me what theyâre doing to contribute to the team. Just get your team members to actually fight, thatâs the change you need.
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Im not crying im just presenting facts, Im done ranking and so is most of gen 1 rank 14âs There is no reason for us to cry hehe! 
Strange how you guys jump to conclusions!
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Canât be sure, but its a much larger scale fights and not a matter of yards to catch a Flag Carrier with BoF and Bubbled Healer to heal him (instantly some times). So 10 seconds can make a big difference.
How do you explain it? If winning in AV is a matter of map and in WSG Allies are winning more often, its either Paladins or players that choose to play Alliance, are more skilled. But not skilled enough to overcome AV map imbalances.
I see a paradox.
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Horde and ally didnât had the same knowledge we have now. Classic aint vanilla. Vanilla didnât had so much fixes to stop premades for minority faction. Vanilla realms didnât had so many players like classic realms.
And i am not crying. I a telling what is happeming. You cried about premades and you cry here trying to defend horde advantage saying ally had advantage. Like i said before, what advantage has ally?
Shamans can purge any pala blessings. I tell you as a paladin how anoying a shaman can be for us.
On every fair fight regular ally is better than regullar horde, even when most ppls interested in pvp chose horde.
Phase 2 where 40 vs1 happens and av cause map might make you think you guyz are superior but you are not.
It looks like we are not even equal. We are even inferior?
Mate, thats not my conclusion at all. And I played almost for a year Human and Gnome Rogues in TBC.
In Classic AV, maybe there are more Horde hardcore PvPers than on Alliance side. Because Alliance PvPers tend (thats what I read on these forums) to form premades more often. Just a personal theory.
Tbc isnt classic. Vanilla aint classic. Classic i classic. Come on, you are a smart guy. You know why premades were possible. Cause we ally are minority. Now all of you stop finding anything trying to climb on everything that you know aint real and just admit it, map is horde favored. The end
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I lost you here.
TBC is not Classic. But players profile does not changed. At all. We were talking about skill based on faction pick.
Premades should not play against PUGs. At least not in AV. Not even for balancing reasons.
Mate, stop hunting witches. Horde players agree that something is wrong. But its not obvious what to change (except exploits) and if fixing them, will change something dramatically. Its not the one (map) or the other (skill/mentality). Its must be a combination.
No, we were talking about map until you and others try to find something else cause map arguments failed and now we came to this. This forum was about what is wrong with av and why ally cant win. I told you map is. Ally still can win but hard. I am happy for av that now is more afks free than before, that now we do have a chance but we must fight like hell for it, while you dont have to. I dont say is fair to have premade vs pugs. It just made game playable for is under this current map. Premade was possible because numbers thats why. We fought with what tools we had.
And ofc the map is not only fault but once sh is lost before we take sf or ib then is gg, while we get nothing.
And like i say, even if i love av, wsg is less stressful and pretty much rewarding
Totally agree with you there. I m pretty much tired of non fighters and the increasing amount of high ranked leechers. And not to forget the verbal keyboard warriors who throw sh t at others more than they fight in a battle.
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This. Stopped at rank8.
With no premades its a 90%+ loose rate for alliance, no matter what you do or try. That is no fun at all. I got better things to do with my time than queuâ ing up for a bg that is supposed to be fun and fair, and yet if someone held a gun to me head to predict the outcome, i would feel certainly safe to say that we`d loose it.
At least with VIP premades the winrate was closer to 50%. As it should have been.
I quit AV. So have MANY others. Hordes enjoying 3 hour queue`s now. Oh well, whatever.
I just finished an 1,5 hour epic AV. Alliance raid had 6 Marshals and 1 Field Marshal. They had healers, but not as many I see in other games. It was the first AV in Classic, where I saw SH, SF, IB and FW graveyards being blue at the same time. It was really bad, so some of us told to the rest, that there is no other way to win but to defend with all our force. People listened, and we managed to keep FLH for an hour and retake it twice when we lost it (thatâs also something I never saw).
Meanwhile a group of 7 , captured SP and started to cap bunkers. But they were too few, and had to lose and retake bunkers many times. I saw that as an opportunity (we could not get FW GY for 30min). Headed north and helped with healing. There were Alliance players defending, and it was close to wipe us (SP lost for a while and many times almost lost). Eventually, while Alliance force was stuck in our base, we manage to kill Drek.
Map imbalance aside, Horde players massively recalled to defend their base and Alliance players let a small group, destroy their base VERY VERY slowly. There is no excuse for that. It is purely lack of game knowledge or lack of motivation. I cannot explain it otherwise.
Yes we had to fight for long time. Yes, honor wise it was not worth it (5k in 1.5 hours). But it was a sweet win and thatâs all that matters in games like WoW.
Too bad I donât remember any names of my teammates. Epic win.
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Delusional much? queue times atm is 20 minutes and at max they are 55 minutes (5am in the morning during weekdays) the average wait time is 35 minutes.
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Iâve actually lost more games than Iâve won today, something that hasnât happened since december.
Not sure if Alliance are getting better at reading the meta or if Horde is getting worse. I have never seen so much AFK:ing near GY/Bunker-flags before though, which probably has something to do with it.