Frostwolf Graveyard? Gate?
I have played emulated Vanilla since 2015 and done countless of AV as both Horde and Alliance on many different server versions.
In Classic alliance have instant queue are unmotivated and donât really care about winning while Horde have long queue and want to defend and win and dont fear 30m-60m fights.
THAT is the reason alliance lose pugs in Classic AV.
Looks to me thay many horde victories comes from map layout and building design. Specially horde cave position and Drek room design gives the horde a massive advantage.
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LOL! Good luck kiting the frostbolt kthnxbye.
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Ok. If it makes you feel justified.
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I have a lvl 60 Alliance in Classic dude. Donât you think I can see the difference between Horde and Alliance mentality in general? Its has nothing to do with map design.
Horde want to defend and stall. Alliance wanna win or lose fast and after 15min a third are afk (atleast they used to be) while Horde push and defend. Obviously Horde will win most pugs in that situation.
Its not the alliance fault that they think like that. Its a direct consequence of short queues for alliance and long queuesfor horde that dictate this mentality. Well that and the fact the reward for winning is quite minimal
I agree and this is what I am trying to say to every alliance who think its due to racials and map design.
Turns out i was just playing during the day whilst the alliance have NO CLUE⌠played all night and won every single AV. Turned out it wasnât blizz after all just a complete lack of strategy and inability to play as a team. My apologies Blizzard!
We lose because people refuse to play in any other ways than on their corner as lonewolves.
They are right, other people are wrong, but they donât want to lead, only do their lonewoves thing or bark at the leader.
They are not correct experiences, from a mechanic perspective.
Horde whine while hitting people, Alliance sob in a corner like child that screwed their parents and got punished for it.
You cheated, you abused mechanics in a way they were not intended.
Wish you brought the useful points before this, since most of your message is actually useful.
As soon as you have addons it is impossible without deactivating everything.
Selfish people.
In classic it didnât made us win more to wait so long you had time to fly a tyrâs hand for a farm.
We need the real old AV map where you had two roads to get through.
No
We already have them but people cannot (refuses to) follow instructions.
Worse is, they will bark back at you and say you are doing crap, but will refuse to take lead if you give it to them.
Yes please, I want to kill trolls mid map. (Not sarcasm)
Some are dummies, sorry.
What? O_o No idea what youâre on about xD>
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Care to elaborate?
Yesterday played av game where my group took the lead and right at the begin we wipped horde raid 2 times in a row. We next took IB GY and went south but Horde won anyway. If alliance lost two battles in the begin wouldnât past SH GY and couldnât reach any objective, thatâs the difference.
For Alliance to win we must do a perfect game, maybe half team attacking and the other half defending so that we can stall Horde enough to secure a win.
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There are games, where Alliance manage to break through our defenses and steadily progress south. It happens more and more. In some games they do it fast enough and win, in in other games, we stall them and eventually win.
It is mainly a matter of being with people that:
- have good gear
-heal
-cc enemy healers
-defend/recall
-listen
So the problem is learn to play. Horde plays better 99% of the times, do you really believe in that? Or that is a convenient argument?
Please tell me where Alliance in AV can keep Horde from proceeding to their base? Even if you take iceblood gy, Horde can allways run past it, using sides for example. Where can Alliance run past Horde if we loose SH GY and respawn at Stormpike GY?
Thatâs normal thoughâŚ?
What do you expect�
Nobody defending = Horde can easily stomp through.
The horde actually defend, hence why itâs harder for alliance to attack.
It will not.
Nice deep review though.
Thats not true. It may be wider than IW choke point, but you CANâT pass 25 Allies without being killed. When I see that we canât defend for long, I always try to go North to help with healing. Never managed to do that, unless Allies moved to FW.
Also, SH GY is not near IW choke point, but IB gy IS the chokepoint. No one guards a destroyed bunker, but a GY is often guarded. Especially IB GY.
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33 mins. 0 honor. 0uch
If the horde doesnt turtle alliance get a 80% win rate⌠id say i won 1/3 avs on my way to exalted avrage 4-5k honor each match.