I know a lot of peeps are on about how “hordes just do their objectives and search for fights” - and while that is true and healthy and what you should be doing, it is what we do as well, when I lead at least… most of the time
Its not that we “let you” its that we need 15 more secs to get there, even if we are on 100% mounts.
It is the fact that we are choked out, get gravyard camped because we have nowhere to run after we spawn.
Its the fact that we need to push through a bunch of archers, and an abomination a choke point and a bunch of hordes using that choke point to get to the flag…
Can you stop asking for change ?
Yes I can and I will soon. When I leave the game I will stop asking for changes, don’t worry… why make the player experience better when you can make it worse… However if premading was that easy, why did we lose 49% of the games? Oh right… because we are 50% worse players than hordes, as its a genetic thing. You are born with a noob gene if you pick alliance
Anyways, go search for clips from 2006 of 10 min AV’s and you will see that premading was a thing in classic, it was a thing in TBC too. So again - stating that it wasn’t - is not correct at all. In Classic also BG’s were server specific, why don’t we get that back as a change too? I am not for it, but we might as well right?
What can they do?
What blizzard should do is balance it out to make the game more enjoyable for both sides - that is the sole purpose of a game. A 70+% winrate for one side isn’t based on pure skill, even if a faction is “more skilled” by some random miracle divided by 10 milion people. Blizzard should start with banning bots and making a 51-59 braket AV. If the situation is still the same they should make the necessary changes to the map that THEY designed, to make it okey. Maybe increase certain boss difficulty or add more objectives to change the meta a bit. So “what can the do?” Well - a lot more then they are doing 
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Well btw, I grinded in vanilla my Paladins exalted reputation in AV with 0 wins. I did not get my ice barbed spear before TuF. Blizzard changed nothing back then and I don’t think there will be any major things happening now either. Sadly.
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Most people semi-afk, they hit enemy once in a while, die, run back, hit them once, die. They aren’t actually playing but they aren’t actually afk either.
Also (please correct me if I’m wrong) if I remember correctly, if ppl report you as afk but you enter combat (even if you do it just for the sake of it and insta-kid without doing anything) the ‘‘afk reports’’ get insta-deleted.
Look guys I usually don’t complain about advantages and disadvantages, but AV right now as a ranking soon to be Marshal is critically in dire of some balancing, the HORDE just did a uber Griefing today, usually its bad but with our premade group we can at least escape at some point and get lts, but not in this game, we fought 7man from balinda to IB GY like 10-15 hordes and still we couldn’t get a single lt. I’ll let the screenshot do the rest.
https:// imgur .com/as36zC0
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TBH it feels like 99% are going for Grand Marshal and 1% wants to have fun
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I would imagine nothing would really change since racials aren’t the deciding factor in BGs.
However with that in mind I would be interested to see what would happen if Alliance and Horde racials were swapped for a week.
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yet u weren’t making this effort back then…so pls, stop whining and next time be fair, dont come in here and write all that novel just when its in ur interest
tbh its beyond my understanding how u can be so hypocritical about the whole thing and have the nerve to post this on forum…
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tl;dr
AV is fine. Lazy Alliance went to far at rushing only 2 NPC.
Russian Alliance is playing differently and each time I face them, they win. Because they use good tactics and strategy. Which was also the way Alliance was playing in Vanilla.
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You have to be absolutely delusional to write what you did write. I said I had a 51% winrate on my games overall, but ~70% when I lead. That could come down to luck / just incredible runs of games etc etc. Still my overall winrate was 5/10 games which is exactly what it should be in a balanced game…
I will come and write whatever I wish to wherever I wish to - its called democracy, and I hoped that classic players would be a bit smarter then write the BS you did. You didn’t combat my points in anyway, you didn’t make an argument against my findings… you just came on and spat a bunch of BS like a little hater.
Espritduvent, russian alliance teams (as I am bulgarian, we understand russian and I have their discords) are still not sure what to do to win. The fact that you lost 2-3 games against them, deosn’t mean they win every game. Trust me they lose a lot more then they win… A lot more… and the ammount of Suka, Blyat’s Ive heard on these discords since the changes are just insane.
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while I agree the map isn’t balanced like for example Arathi Basin (neither is WSG map) the main issue isn’t map imbalance.
the main issue is alliance players attitude - every game there 8-10 AFKers from the very start that aren’t even pretending to participate in battle. Horde side I rarely see people AFKing even after 40-50min of the game.
Horde players fight for every pixel in AV and they don’t stop just because they die once or twice or get GY reset.
Alliance players die and stay on the graveyard.
It literally feels like playing with bots that have AttackNearestHorde function running
On our server A/H ratio was very close to 50:50 and yet it still felt like horde was 2x more active during th WPvP phase.
If the game is balanced horde deserves to win cos it has more active players with pvp mindset - thats how it always has been in WoW.
On alliance side I have trouble finding active 10 people to play WSG premades daily. Always someone “has to go” after 1-2 rough games.
As for AV If anything is to be done about it there need to be more sever punishments for people who waste time and effort of their team.
Longer duration on deserter for people who are leeching is a good start imo.
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Horde players might be more motivate to fight cause the ques time but how can you motivate the Alliance players who actually fight to keep pushing into a grinding machine, while almost half team is inexistent?
How to motivate a man to do something impossible because he is heavily outnumbered?
Map as it is now is horde advantaged. Once horde has sh gy, if the ally fighting team doesnt have ib gy, then is over. Cant pass that choke point being heavily outnumbered.
Premade made possible a game with very few afks leachers and because of that we stood a chance and winrates were good for both sides. Also the games were full of pvp and objectives. To a certain point horde used up to 30 ppls to recall non stop to defend the base while 10 hordes were able to burn our base and kill van if let them alone.
Those were possible because almost free afks and leechers.
One step would be suffice atm, for blizz to be more active and find a damn way to stop all these afks and bots. This morning i had an av, almost half team were bots. Some were also afks, fishers, so imagine how nice is to fight with less than half team.
Blizz found a way to stop premade when horde babys cried cause they cannot zug zug 100% win. They can find a way to stop all bots and afks.
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I don’t think we can actually know anything about the maps balance given how people play the game at the moment, the Alliance are mostly AFK or very bad and Horde aren’t playing particularly well either since they aren’t interested in fixing something that is working out for them. Really you should never get camped at the Graveyard when you spawn right there and they spawn on the other side of the field.
Alliance advantages I can think of:
The NPCs in the base are all in close proximity to the GY, almost impossible to not aggro them.
Bunkers are much better than Towers.
The Alliance I see doing well take over the tower and put ranged classes in it to make the surrounding area safe, if ranged classes from below shoot at them they can just run back and forth and LOS and get healed. Back on a private server the strategy for Ally was never to try and ignore them while running through mid but to get Snowfall GY at any cost and then go Galv. The Horde will never get in a race game when they have waited 1 hour in queue.
Mate that’s a lot text for a obvious conclusion about AV (for me):
AV was changed to 1.12 version. This is not authentic so it should be reverted to old version.
#NOCHANGES #REVERTCHANGES
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How about lower the rewards for losing? Making winning worth while. Alter the rate at you earn rewards/honor so you cant just go in and AFK/BOT. Completing objectives resulting in rewarding the players that actually contributed towards it rather than across the whole team.
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my first av today was 6k honor, 12 min win with no afks.
the 2 avs after it had 7-8 ppl with 0/0/0, and 5-10 ppl being semi afk, so those were cancer 40 min losses, sadly the fishmonger rankers don’t even get kicked, no matter how many reports we send their way. plz give us older verion of av with mobs at the center, or even the version with the neutral boss, or at the very least, FIX THE WALL JUMP exploit so we stop getting backdoored even when we doing well, 90% of allies don’t even carry the recall trinket so its auto base lost if 5+ hordes walljump into our base
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dude it UR own words, i quoted them lol…reread what u wrote :
Im done with this anyways, but i mean…crying bout not stomping a BG anymore…
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51% is not a faction stomping a BG… read my previous response and stop acting stupid… or mb you are?
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ye start calling me names , that’s the way…
i did read ur original post dude, and i quoted YOUR OWN WORDS
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Havn’t called you names, I asked you a question 
My own damn words also said that factionwise I had 51% wins in BG. You missed to quote that right. Ofc you did
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w/e dude, no point in continuing this…its just funny how u all started to complain about UNFAIRNESS all of a sudden when bli$$ finally addressed the mechanics exploits that u were doing…
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