so now your arguement is that they shouldn’t address the mechanics exploits that you are abusing? 
what a well thought out arguement…
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u’re hopeless, here have a napkin gl bb
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Keek, you skewed his words.
He said that in general his winrate was 50% when he was NOT leading games, but when he lead games that rose to 71%. This just shows he is a good leader and that having a leader in general created better games.
I knew people would bring in the argument “alliance are just bad”, and it’s pretty sad. As a “casual alliance player” myself and probably thousands more of us are getting sick of AV and want to quit even queueing the bg. Why try when half your team is afk? I still try EVERY AV I go into, but there is only so much 5-15 people can do if the rest of the team is just semi afking.
Do people not realise, the more alliance have this issue means less players who want to actually play the bg queue because of quality of games, the higher the queuetimes go up for horde and the less fun everyone has all together?
Blizzard have to fix this afking issue, it’s getting ridiculous.
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Read again op post to understand the advantage Horde has on this map. Until last gy which is protect by few npc is already to late. If Horde hold sh gy you cannot pass that choke with half team.
Also about camped at gy yes u can get, because you face 25-30 hordes while u are ressing only 10 at a time. While u are ressed is no way to avoid warriors mass aoe and mage easily do massive dmg in a tight spot like our gys
But even with this map, a bg with almost no afks, bots and fishers would be much ok and might be enough to no need to fix this map
guys, stop this afking BS…while I DO AGREE bli$$ MUST do smth about AV botters, thats not the main cause like u wanna depict it…i had an AV with 8 bots, there are games where hordies cry in raid chat “let them win” and all the other stuff u guys are invoking, we have those aswell…
the main cause for ur losses IMO, is that premades made u weak…u look and cry bout easy, fast wins while we had all that “losing” time to adapt and l2p, learn to work together towards a common goal…theres always shouts in horde chat about the reasoning behind a move or calling out general strategies be it in a flaming way or normal …(and dont forget about queue times, that also plays a role at a psychological level at least…horde tries harder cuz of our queue times, its a fact…)
so bottom line is, STOP crying and start playing together, U DID THIS TO URSELVES
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If you say so keek. Just look at the scoreboard next time you’re in AV and count the amount of alliance who participate vs the ones who have little to no hks.
Like I said, the most I’ve seen in one game is 22. That’s over half the team.
If you think we can win with with 18 people then you’re delusional.
Again, I’m not whining about losing. I don’t care about losing if I get to pvp, what I care about is the quality of my games is substandard to the point I don’t even want to play the bg anymore. I was happily pugging most of the time as an alliance until the AFK issue got too bad to stand, only then did I join a “premade” just to have games with 40 alliance players who actually want to play…
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Your own mistake to choose the “mafia” faction with all hardcore guilds/players that screws over their own faction compared to horde
If you benefit from something would you stop doing it as long as there are no
consequence ? Didnt think so. Cave farming is considered as griefing in AV - honorless target and so on - still horde cave farm and prevent people from entering game. I have reported it several times - no consequence for those doing it. So basically, as long as you can continue doing something that doesnt affect you in a negative way you ll keep doing it. That goes as well for cave farming, afk ing etc etc. people doesnt care if it affects others. Me, myself, I are not punished, thats whats counts… And that actually goes for both factions - its not ally spesific as some want it to be.
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i personally hate griefing. i hated griefing when it happened @SH gy, i hate it @cave. And even if THERE WILL ALWAYS be butth@rt ppl who will continue to do it, i do have to say this tho : in 90% of my games this practice has stopped entirely, ppl are over it already…that leaves me to 1 conclusion (mby there’s others but i fail to see them) : horde got back at ally for the “pain” of “7 mins loss”…when we had the upper hand, like u said, we “cooled” ourselves off…
So, again, i do agree afking/botting/griefing on purpose just cuz u’re that sh1t of a human being should be addressed but the “big wave” of griefing i think its over and i also think was a response for ur previous actions…
Unfortunately, it hasn’t in my experience.
I just want to remind most hordes that the majority of alliance are not complicit in the “7min stomps”, those were the top premades, the top 1% of alliance players.
The majority of us just want to pvp and don’t care about the lengths of games as long as there is actual pvp (hence the lower/average premades doing triangle strat which was beaten many times by horde pugs). But being graveyard/cave farmed for 40mins when you just wanna pvp is stupid, please try and encourage your teams to end it after max honor just for the few people on alliance who did put up a good fight? Please? 
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Thing is, people are like a flock of sheeps usually - if majority grief others will aswell. I ve been pwned several times in AV for not participating in cave farms, gy farms etc. Some will always feed on creating frustration - or knowing they most likely will create it. Compared to Vanilla griefing in some ways are the new meta simply because its not addressed in any ways. And if this is done to address "our " previous actions - did you actually hit the one causing it ? Guess not .
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there is nothing fun about camping ppl at their spawn points…ppl that do that to other ppl are having RL issues that we better not cover in here…i feel bad for ally when i see that happening to them (when i was seeing that is more accurate), its not how id want my own experience to be like…and, just liek Yambo said, i also was called out for asking them to stop and whatnot…I SUPPORT the idea that actions should be taken against this type of ppl (the griefers), but exactly as in RL, most of the times the bullies get away with it…
i like AV cuz of the mass pvp component and the “castle siege” idea, when these things happen on a large scale then its REALLY EPIC games…i would love to have more of those types of games but, ppl are in for different reasons and, most of the times, they just try to copycat sum min/maxing streamers or whatnot…
People are so full of excuses for everything.
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Beyond excuses tho, there’s the fact the av right now is in a very very bad state.
Alliance loses the vast majority of games by default, leading to a very unfun experience, so large numbers of alliance players just don’t do av, leading to huge que timers for the horde which in turn in very unfun.
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What are you hordies fighting against exactly? I want to have an exclusive LVL 60 AV and botters to be banned as i have said multiple times. If at the end of that we have 55/45 winrate for horde I’m fine with it… map inbalances wount make me want to change it for a 10% difference.
However you piss me off when you say - you chose to be alliance, you did this to yourselves. You must be really dellusional since THOSE SAME PEOPLE SAYING THAT PUSHED FOR AV CHANGES IN THE FIRST PLACE! You also did this to yourselves to be HORDES and to “not be able to premade as effectively”. It wasn’t a MAP imbalance, but a faction thing… so what are you on about? I am not saying we should get back to that state, Im saying if you used to cry about being horde and you got it your way, DON’T blame us for wanting some changes when the tables have turned… Makes no sense!
P.S. I just saw a full blow BOTTER with RANK13 gear… that pissed me off even further… His name A*kon a mage from Ashbringer or Firemaw not sure which of the 2 realms he was from… Blizzard wake the Freak up! You need to address this!
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To Classic Horde bravo,clap next step try harder make them Rage quit mid fights!
To Classic Alliance you guys are disgusting solo everyone for him/herself not playing together not help guy attacked next to you not taking orders play strategies, Nah you are blame for that you guys choose to lose ,to afk,to leech,to find excuses,to do nothing instead of fighting have you heard play for win instead of your honor meta min max.
Faction full of entitled crybabies,whiners and excuse makers when is time to DO SOMETHING is in their hands they give up.
To fellow alliance I know some of you exist playing together helping guy who is attacked next to you even when you could die by doing that doing strategies /Salut shame you can’t put rest of your awful faction to somewhere else.
Make AV PREMADE VS PREMADE 40 v 40.
Best solution for these who want to fight!
And drastically decrease rewards for losing, increase rewards for taking points in AV and pushing.force artificially longer queues on Alliance too.
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As I said, I play both factions, and griefing , afk ing, fishing and whatever is not alliance exclusive. I ve met equal amount of scumbags on both sides. Sorry to crush your dream about how it is.
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Griefing is what I enjoy part of PvP making someone rage quit beautiful.Spawn camp them!
Yet somehow some of the alliance opinion is that horde is to blame. See, mentioned many times, russian alliance PLAYS and wins. Are they uberskilled, ubergeared - nope, they are exactly as Eu alliance. So how on earth do they win if EVERYTHING is sooooooo impossibly stacked against them?
Your mindset is the main reason you lose so much. Nothing else.
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That will make AV completely dead bg man. It cant be always team vs team, it isnt a pro tournament or somethink like this. No rewards or less rewards - people will not play it. No one wants to bash his head against a wall for nothing. Also no reward for a loss will develop into /afk the milisecond when it is clear which the superior team is.
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