I don’t blame horde. They are just doing their job. I want a free bots afks and fishers av, even if the map is still horde favor. You cant deny that
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Think 100% of av games I have played where alli go for SH GY have resulted in a loss. In my expiernece, IB GY is the gold mine as it puts the horde in a predicament to defend or keep pushing
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It is not even right now.
Who wants to play will do premade and who tolerates afkers etc is not on to play will do with randoms.
Isnt it already case?
And you should get rewards based on how much % of av you did objectives and kills/damage done not just afking passively getting honor by doing nothing.
You know why they do that ? Because they suffered 2 month full of premade that spammed N O M O R E H O N O R F O R Y O U 
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Karma is hard sometime.
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No honor? Dude. When premade was a thing horde still got lt’s and did pvp, always turtle and ally had to advance gy by gy to win. Sure 1% top premades might end it in 7 mins but that was rare.
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And again, do you get at the few as did it? Nope, they re doing premades in WSG 
Ye, Holy, something needs to be done for sure man, no doubt, but i don’t think your suggestions are the optimum ones. It isnt so easy to do, cause if it was, at Blizz HQ some would have done it already after so many years. If not by well thought intention just by pure chance.
Well, if things arent going well on horde side people start trashtalking, yeah, but they still fight. I have never had a team that just quit after it is apparent we are going to lose. We try till the end.
Nice post, i completely agree here.
Alliance will never win in AV or in any other PvP environment because Blizzard wants horde to win.
Simple as that.
If for any reason alliance starts winning, Blizzard will “hotfix” it in a week or two. If there are bugs/exploits or anything in general that favors horde, it will go untouched forever.
Blizzard wants alliance to lose 100% of the time, yet alliance still wins every now and then. If there is anything to fix from Blizzard’s perspective, it is those few games that alliance has won.
For the remaining 90%+ of games horde wins, it is working as intended.
That’s basically it more or less.
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get some help
Modern victimhood snowflake soyboy, woke person that is never responsible for anything in his life.
nothing about the racials or sides
alliance are just pve spergs.
honestly the best way to change it is to remove rep and xp from pvp quests as well as introduce increasing deserter debuff - like 15m - 30m - 1h - 3h - 6h - 12h -24h
nice tinfoil theory bro
blizzard just changed the ability for alliance to queue as 30-40 people which is a good change. AV was never ever supposed to be played as a big premade BG.
this stupid meta caused premades to carry brainafk scrubs who didn’t deserve it.
now those scrubs hang around doing the same thing they did back in premade AV meta (brainafk) and expect to get rewarded for it.
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Good or bad change, it doesn’t matter.
Blizzard made a radical change to the game since it didn’t favor horde. There are hundreds of other changes that could be done and be good for the game, like fixing the backdoor jump to Dun Baldar base, but they don’t change it for months now.
If you still don’t understand this level of an argument you are simply an idiot.
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Fixing the backdoor jump will not change the meta. The core problem about AV is the amount of harpie farmer / AFK / fisher / bot. The backdoor jump is extremely easy to counter (just put a hunter with frost trap and a mage with blizzard …). If you think you loose because of backdoor jump, I think you over estimate it.
And removing AV Premade is a not a radical change.
Everyone’s point has some value to it, as it is not clear cut as being one factor alone. The biggest one for me though is that Horde can make it to Balinda by the time we have just arrived at SH.
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At least someone understands that its not only one or two reasons.
I am not sure although, that meeting at Balinda, is what gives a big advantage to Horde. We have to fight somewhere. Just win that battle and move south. If you lose that battle, maybe you gonna lose rest of encounters also. In which case, nothing really matters.
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You can’t “put” someone anywhere in a group of full randoms, and yes it changed the game so many times when horde ninja capped DB GY while the fight was on the bridge and it led to alliance losing the game. I’d say I saw this happen at least 100 times in classic.
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The changes didn’t only “remove AV premade”. It changed the WHOLE queue system and the algorithm.
a. Before the change, game numbers were mixed up on the list and the newest games were at the bottom of the list. This way, you could “snipe” new games and avoid joining a game that is 25 minutes old and horde was already at stormpike GY. Now, without being able to assume if the game is new or old, 50% of the time alliance players join an “already over” game and just stand still inside the cave hoping it to end asap.
b. Before the changes, queue time for alliance was completely instant. They have changed the whole queue system so right now at any given time, it is 3-4 minutes that alliance players. This is also a big change.
Again, you might find it worthy or not, but the change was a big one. And as I stated earlier, horde backdoor is only one of the hundred different examples we could give. For instance, if you worry about the “meta”, horde cave location being much closer than alliance cave changes the outcome of almost every game, but won’t be changed. All alliance GYs being deadends that alliance players can’t get away from and camped changes the whole outcome of almost every game, but they won’t be changed.
Simply and only because horde is designed to be the winning faction in PvP. Don’t even assume so many advantages are just coincidences for a faction. That is how it was designed and intended to be.
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And one of the main reasons we have started to cap SFGY also making it impossible for you to push south when we send your arses north again.
This new meta that horde are doing is entirely created by the IBGY rush from alliance, which 95% of the time nets you guys at max 1000 honor.