You didn’t state it as an opinion you stated it as absolute fact.
And I still don’t think you understand that levelling in TBC is not like levelling in your retail. You’ll find out soon enough.
What is there to find out?
You either do quests, or dungeon grind, one can also just grind mobs in the open world if one fancy that or do all 3.
There wont be some new intervention coming with TBC that will utterly change that.
I don’t play retail. I have nothing against people that enjoy retail, I have nothing against people who only like to play Classic and I have nothing against those who only want to play TBCC.
Like some people in this thread who sh*it on people for enjoying different types of games.
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Yes, there are millions of different opinions in the world but not all of them have the same level of credibility. Some people have the “opinion” that the earth is flat, some believe in unicorns and some believe in the boogey man.
Yet they can present no logical basis or credible arguments to support their claims. As you couldn’t present any in the dozen of threads you have plagued with your spam.
A lot of players find rep farming/pvp ranking much more tedious and boring than levelling in classic+TBC but we aren’t asking for instant paid boosts, are we?
If there is an obstacle in a video game, you clinch your b cheeks and get over it with effort. Not take your credit card out of your wallet and instantly skip it.
Your brain only works with 1 parameter, and that is taking everything personally. Similar to how you can’t produce any arguments but only personal smack talking, you also can’t differentiate a general discussion from a personal liking/disliking issue. So let me try to explain to you personally:
I have friends who like games like SimCity, my mom plays CandyCrush and my father plays online backgammon. I personally like these people but their taste/preferences of gaming is different than mine. I am an MMORPG player. They are facebook gamers. But I like them. Still doesn’t mean that I want to play backgammon during my wow game time. (it is heartbreaking that BfA had those candycrush daily quests, so you can see clearly who they are aiming for as the target audience)
WoW classic is by its core principles a reaction against the convenience features, acccesibility and paid services. That is the axiom, the premise of wow classic. That is WHY 280000 signatures have been delivered to Blizzard. There is nothing wrong if people personally like cash shops or paid boosts or LFR. But you can’t ask for these in classic. It is antithetical to the whole reason of classic’s existence. Even Blizzard devs that this idea when they launched classic.
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THANK YOU. This should be reason enough to remove the boost.
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Why?
Because in their opinion its antithetical?
Sorry but when will the penny drop, the game is owned and operated by a company. That company is free to make whatever decisions it wants to. If they have decided to offer a 1 time once per account boost then that is their business.
A handful of moaners on a forum that demands everyone plays by their rules is not enough to overrule the decision.
Like it or not 2005 happened 16 years ago, there isn’t a power in the known universe that can give you back those memories, feelings and experiences. It’s called the past. Move on.
From what I understand most people actually wanted the old world, the old classes, the old spells, the old content. Classic provides that and those realms that stay as classic era will be boost free. Progression realms are moving with the times, blizzard have probably looked at all the pservers and saw how they all or at least 99% of them have a form of shop, if it wasnt wanted by the player base who played classic pservers why would they start adding them.
You cannot keep using your opinions on how the game should be played to demand everyone plays it that way.
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not due to opinion. Due to FACTUAL reason why classic was created and the audience it was meant to appeal to and the gap in the market it was designed to fill. THAT was what made classic such a success, due to that desire for A PARTICULAR experience. None of that is opinion, that is observable fact.
The reason we have classic is due to the number of private servers and the populations they held, that’s a big chunk of players that blizzard eventually listened to.
Guess what, those servers had shops. You must be kidding yourself if you think those shops went by unused.
More to the point, nobody has walked up to blizz and asked for a boost or a shop or lfr. Blizzard actually broke an lfr addon when classic started.
Consider this, when a car that held some form of cult or classic or other symbolic status is recreated, due you think they add modern stuff like ABS and a media centre just because?
Nobody is gonna want old brakes just because that’s how it was before. The spirit of the car, the enjoyment of driving the car is far more than 1 aspect of it.
Playing and enjoying wow is far more than whether there is a boost.
Here is what you do;
- Log in
- Play
Job done!
I will say though, blizzard could and perhaps should add more restrictions to the boost, for example making it time limited to say 3 months. Enough time for those players to get their account sorted.
Or rethinking it entirely and coming at it from the old RaF perspective and a stronger friend-boost approach.
Either way nobody on these forums can say how another player should play or gets to play.
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I cba with repeating the same thing over and over. It is really tiring and if you can’t even understand this message, I will rather spend my time talking to my cat.
The whole classic servers started with the idea of recreating the game “as it was back then.” now remember this phrase. Why? Because Ian Hazzikostas and Allen Brack used this phrase “creating the timeline as it was back then” a few dozen times during classic launch panels. Ian said “we are going to create the authentic vanilla experience staying true to the original experience”. This is his initial words. This is the main reason of classic. This is the first and foremost principle of its existence. It’s not my opinion. It is a scientific, historical fact.
Were paid boosts in TBC? No, they were added in WoD. WoD, the most garbage expansion in any online game in history, period.
Asking for a paid service, that 1. was not in TBC “as it was back then” 2. is totally against the core philosophies and foundations of classic is like going to a football game and ask them to change the ball with a dumbbell.
Everyone has to play a game by its rules. Those rules are finally put there by Activision Blizzard. We are asking Activision Blizzard to not change the rule set and not put paid boosts into the game. If they decide to change the rules and put paid boosts into the game, then of course you are free to use them. But it will make the game lose a lot of subs and its core spirit.
Do you understand this? Meow? I mean its pretty simple. None is telling you to play exactly the same way as they want. But we are asking the company that is making this game to not include boosts into the game. We aren’t telling YOU what to do, we are asking Blizzard what to do. It’s very simple. very. simple. v.e.r.y.s.i.m.p.l.e.
If someone is botting and we tell him to not use a bot, are we telling him “how to play the game”? Should he be free to play however he wants? No because botting is not allowed in the game. Who decides this? Blizzard decides this.
Now, when we say “we don’t want boosts in game” who are we addressing this towards? Blizzard. If Blizzard puts this in the game, can you use it? Yes you can. Will I use it? Yes I will because its a p2w feature that one has to get to play seriously. Then what is the issue? The issue is that we are telling Blizzard to revert the decision and not put this into the game. If they decide to change their minds and not put boosts in the game, are you going to be able to boost your characters with real money? Not in a legit way, no. Did we then decide how you play the game? No, its the rules that tell you how to play the game.
Can’t really do much more than this, gonna find my cat, brb.
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First of, I’m a human dont assume my species!
Secondly, the timeline you refer to is the phase rollout of the raids and content etc. They didnt mention a timeline for releasing other expansions, they hinted at but never stated it let alone give details on it.
The timeline they wanted to keep similiar to the original is the content rollout. Get that pussy cat?
Furthermore, Classic era servers will NOT get a boost, it’s very simple, very s.i.m.p.l.e - following so far puss puss?
And as for how people play, you have spent however long on these threads screaming that everyone must level 1-58 otherwise they are a bad player that just fills the game with a sess pool. Might not have been you specifically but the angry mob have attacked the general player due to their own opinions on how the game should be.
Also dogs are better than cats.
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You you and others keep repeating this. And we already know. We are asking for the boost to be removed on TBCC servers (TBC is still under the classic umbrella- do you get that puss?)
Are you one of the
Screams on forum: I wont play TBCC if the boost stays.
Reality: wow tbcc is awesome!
people?
No i dont intend to use the boost either way.
I mean why do you need to?
There be plenty of people levelling in the pre-patch plus XP rates have increased with the levelling anyway
I don’t see your point but here is the first panel where they openly use the words “original 2006 experience we want to share” “authentic vanilla experience” “game the exact same way as it was in summer of 2005” “no skips of content, no convenience features” “no catch-up mechanisms that undermine the experience”.
My cat understood this and nodded at me right now, so I have the approval of an intelligent species.
TBCC means “The Burning Crusade CLASSIC” if you didn’t know. Classic means recreation of the exact same game as 2007 and level boosts didn’t come until WoD, which came 3 expansions after TBC. My cat understood it and she licks my arm, she is a lot more intelligent than some humans out there.
I have nothing against players that will use the boost, because I will use it as well, at least once.
Using the boost and asking for a boost is two different things. I certainly don’t like those who ask for boosts because they are either lazy or need to be spoonfed in a video game for their real life money. I have no issues with those who will eventually use it though if Blizzard doesn’t revert this greedy corporate decision.
My cat understands the rules in the house and she is very civilized. She doesn’t ask me to put my shoes on the kitchen table, because she knows that its not the place for them. As TBC classic isn’t the place for paid character boosts.
Forgive me I’m on my way home so ill inspect the video again later BUT I’m quite sure at no point in that video do they discuss the details of post vanilla options.
At the time they just recreated vanilla and gave us the closest they could to that vanilla experience.
The first official discussion of tbcc was at blizzconline this year.
Your timeline is for the content of vanilla not the expansions of wow. Tbcc might not have happened at all if classic was a flop. They didnt discuss it for that reason. That announcement was for classic and at the time classic was a standalone product.
Classic era servers are those that are staying as classic and those wont get a boost.
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Pro pay-to-winners seem to have ony a handful of arguments, and they keep on repeating those same arguments over and over again.
“Classic was designed with #nochanges in mind, but TBC isn’t Classic so it should be stuffed full of QOL and convenience features to make the game faster, easier and less complicated”
The game is TBC Classic, and is an expansion to Classic, not a stand-alone game, not a brand new game, not a version of retail set in Outland, not TBC Remastered -it is an EXPANSION, which means that WoW Classic should be required in order to play TBC Classic, and that the game should follow on directly from WoW Classic.
"I don’t have time to play the game properly"
If you don’t have time to play the game properly then you don’t have time for dungeons, you certainly don’t have time to raid, you definitely don’t have time for PvP content.
What do you have time for? Weirdly enough you have time to do some quests, and level your character, as this aspect of the game can literally be played for ten minutes, and you’ll still make some progress.
What most people really mean when they say “I don’t have time to play the game properly” is that they see the game as a kind of race and feel they are in constant competition with other players, and that not levelling super-fast means they’ll fall behind in the race. They feel that the game is something that must be completed as quickly as possible. This is a 100% retail mindset.
I’m sure there are also some who simply can’t be bothered to level simply because they are lazy.
"I hate levelling in Classic"
Another mentality that comes straight from retail, where players are conditioned into the belief that only end game matters, and all content prior to end game is nothing more than a boring, optional tutorial.
TBC is a true MMORPG, it is not retail (which is basically a looter shooter), and in an MMORPG the journey is as equally, if not more important, than the destination. MMORPGs are about world-building, exploration, quests, progression and creating social ties with friends and fellows. They are not about zooming straight to level cap and farming raids and dungeons for all eternity.
By asking for levelling to be removed because you ‘hate it’, you are asking the game to be fundamentally changed into something that it is not.
“It’s up to me how I play the game, if I pay-to-win it’s not hurting anyone”
By that same logic it’s OK for you to win trade in arenas as it’s ‘not hurting anyone’. It’s OK for you to sell your account on Ebay because it’s ‘not hurting anyone’, and it’s OK to use exploits because it’s ‘not hurting anyone’.
If this were a single player game, then fine, but WoW is not a single player game, and whereas using a cheat code to skip to the final boss in a single player game may have no side-effects save to provide a hollow, meaningless victory, in a MMORPG it sets a precedent, and ultimately creates a ‘new normal’. If Joe wins by using an exploit, we can do the same… so can they… so can they…
Eventually a new meta is formed.
“It’s Blizzard’s decision, not yours”
The same Blizzard who killed retail by gouging out all substance and meaningful mechanics/content from the game, replacing it with shallow, empty, visionless fluff; and who managed to lose literally millions of subscribers in the process?
They took an MMORPG and turned it into a glorified online shop, with the thin veneer of a shallow arcade looter shooter overlayed on top.
They are clearly testing the water with this pay-to-win boost, and once these people have their foot in the door, that’s it. “They accepted pay-to-win boosts? Great! So how about a cash shop selling gold tokens? How about…”
"People get boosted anyway by Mages in dungeons, so it’s OK for me to pay to be booted".
A textbook 'two wrongs make a right’ fallacy.
‘He robbed a shop, so it’s OK for me to rob a post office’.
No it isn’t both actions are wrong.
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Anti boosters have only a handful of arguements
- i dont like it and other opinion based ideas
- 1 legitimate botting concern
also again, its not pay-to-win when you get that 58 character you havent won! i’d accept its ‘pay-to-skip’ or ‘pay-to-catch-up-to-my-friends’ but its definately not ‘win’
It is indeed an expansion, but that doesnt change the fact that when blizz announced classic, it was as a singular standalone project that might not have ever gone past naxx.
most players have at least 1 level 60, therefore they have done the ‘requirement’ to say they must.
what is playing properly? could you please define this for the world, as far as i was aware anyone enjoying themselves is playing it ‘properly’ but if you know better please do enlighten us.
Hmmm, you’d not get much progress in 10mins, some sure, but in 10 mins would waste maybe 4 of those logging in/out
Can you with absolute fact and evidence prove that it is only retail players (as if they are somehow different from classic players, something i find odd) that have this mentality, i mean, are you sure all those classic players getting boosted are classic only players?
I think of it as a social platform set within a virtual world where players can engage in games.
Come here with a new reason why they should remove the boost that isnt based on a personal opinion and hasnt been banged on about by the mob for a however long its been. The bots has been accepted as a valid point so dont use that.
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and why do you think so many people played those?
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Hi, just to say this i want to play TBC …but i don’t like Classic it’s boring and tedious
boost to 58 is win for me
Lets have that full quote shall we!
I imagine they played them because they enjoyed it, however, lets not kid ourselves, those servers have shops of 1 form or another, if players didnt want that why did each server that came along have 1?
Another question to ponder, those servers that did offer items/services, did the players quit en masse? or did they simply continue playing the game they enjoy and do so in their own way?
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Alright. So you need to pay for a boost to skip 2 weeks of levelling at the expense of ruining the game’s economy / longevity / rpg feeling etc. (you are just one of the many “i can’t be patient for 2 weeks and I don’t care about the rest” people).
I met a million people irl but I still get surprised every time how selfish and careless most people are. They wouldn’t even care if a meteor hit the earth and killed 4 billion people and collapsed an entire hemisphere, if they gain a benefit or profit from it. Every time after 36 years, I still learn a lot about mankind.
There are different types of pservers.
There are shizzy pservers that sell items or boosts and basically there are a few cyber cafe kids that maybe play them, they have like 100 online on the server at prime time, best case scenario.
The big, more trustworthy pservers don’t have items or boosts, generally speaking. Some big pservers had a 2x or 3x experience gain for 1 week if you donate a certain amount of money, so its like RaF service though a paid service. Not an instant boost, I checked a few big servers like nostalrius, k3, lightbringer etc. and they didn’t have any of these. There were no ingame benefits for real money whatsoever if I didn’t miss anything. Only a donation link in the website, which was 100% voluntary to help the server.
As I implied above, none gives too much credit to a p2w private server, the usually have almost no players online and those who are online are usually server owner’s buddies and relatives. None is that low, even in pservers.