You don’t have to say it to do it. And no, you’re aren’t successfully shutting down any civil dialogue however you are derailing it somewhat. The key word in what I said was ‘‘attempt’’
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We are also free to voice our concerns to the developers in the forums, which is what they’re for apart from crying for class nerfs or buffs.
You don’t have to read or comment in these threads, you’re free to ignore them if they’re beyond your mature and adult concerns.
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For obvious reasons, they are not literally the same thing but they both are post TBC features and both impact the game in different ways and change the way it is played in a way that I think is bad, but at the very least what can be described as ‘‘retail-ish’’.
People would still play even if store mounts were in TBC. This argument doesn’t negate the fact that this decision is bad for the game, it just shows how whales will always prevail. As players, we shouldn’t cheer on a company in prioritising money over the player experience and them getting rewarded for it.
But all those spells from 1-58, if you level from 1, are spoon fed to you over time whereas now you have them all at once. I’m an experienced player and have played the game for a long time but if I boosted another class instantly, I’d have to take a significant amount of time to learn how to play it properly and how to gear etc…
In my household, I’m the only 1 of 3 who play wow that stay consistently subbed to wow as the others drop in and out of interest, and that’s both classic and retail. Using that logic, because I’m the most consistent subscriber, then what I like must be what is most likely to keep a player subscribed? But ofc not. Anecdotal examples aren’t evidence of your point being true.
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Yes, they impact in a way but you said it’s the same thing which I must say is not. The way LFD impacts is much more drastic than a one time boost. Most people who will stick through TBC will go on to level another character. It’s always like that.
But everyone wants to join in the hype train at the beginning and not be left behind. In the long run, it will not change much.
Then your argument that many people will leave because of the boost doesn’t have a solid basis.
Yes, it’s not an excellent solution and ideally we would all level the old fashioned way. I wish there was a way someone like me could do it. I’ve actually started a hunter today and I will give my best, I have a feeling around 30 it will be extremely tough to keep up but I’ll try at least.
Many people are in my situation.
You’re saying this as if leveling in Outland is a real challenge. Even low level dungeons require simple rotations. A mage should know how to poly and spam the firebolts. A warlock spams shadowbolts. Rotations are still very simplistic at this point in game.
Tanks and healers might have a little trouble if they are inexperienced but dps will stroll through the content fairly easy.
I guess you’re right here. But I’m very optimistic that TBC will be a far bigger success than Vanilla Classic.
You say this but with no actual reason why then you just think it does because you like the boost.
And even without the boost they have the chance to do this, they have now and the pre patch to get to 58 in time. No one has to miss out.
So players like me would quit but I agree that whales will still play and cash out on this stuff. Not saying EVERYONE or NO-ONE like ur saying, I’m just saying blizz would still make money off it.
but you would only know this by either researching or playing warlock b4. If you’ve not played warlock, and ur thrown all these spells, u might think corruption is ur main ability or drain life etc…
A mage might not be good at cc’ing if they haven’t played it all the way up to 60
they won’t be easy, trust me, bad tank / healer makes runs like hell. This is coming from a tank player in classic. Having a bad healer makes ur skill useless because u just die over and over and ur ability to tank goes down the toilet, it’s a vicious snow ball effect. And if you’re a good healer with bad tank, then you just die to aggro most likely.
Because the boost is a one character thing while LFD is a feature than is permanent and it completely changes the way people level later on. The boost doesn’t because it will not be available again.
A lot of people will go on to level draenei and blood elf so I guess people who can muster the vanilla leveling will go on with it anyway. For the rest, boosting is an acceptable alternative.
I will boost my healer and will not head to Outland until I maxed out my Classic professions, one of them at least. It will be valuable in Outland.
Clearly not everyone or no one. The extremes don’t apply in these situations. I think it’s okay that they make money, I have no issue with that.
If I see a warlock spamming corruption I would politely tell him to revise his rotation and talents. It’s not a big deal.
Yes, like I said, tanks and healers is where it can get difficult if you’re not experienced. But since there will be many players around, I don’t think there will be a massive deficiency of anything. Bad players will exist regardless.
If say I level fury and then switch to tanking in Outland and I’m bad, it’s pretty much the same thing.
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The boost is permanent too and it DEFINTELY changes the way people level??? It’s 1 per account not once ever. And even 1 time is a big enough effect.
To you
Glad you brought up proffs. Why are you ok with having to level proffs from 1-300 (classic content) but not levelling? The precedent the boost sets leads us down this line of thought. Why should you have to do proffs? Or weapon skills? Or farm gold? Or buy 100% riding skill & epic mount etc…
You’ve completely missed the point. The point is because I said people would still play even with the boost, you said that my argument against the boost where I said that they’d lose as many players as they gain was invalidated and my counter to that was that I wasn’t saying all people who are against it would stay but rather that those who are happy to cash out would spend so much as a collective to the point that blizzard would make money regardless in the loss of subs from things like the boost or store mounts being introduced because unfortunately whales exist.
It is when it slows down ur dungeon run which isn’t fun for the way some people play the game and they’re only able to be in your dungeon run because they paid for a boost which you don’t even think should be in the game (not ‘you’ as in specifically you)
yes but now they’ll be at the higher levels at an inflated rate
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It’s really not a game changing feature. How many people will pay multiple subs at once to have multiple boosts? Very few. It will not change the way people level.
Because professions are not a must to enter end game content while levels are. Professions are an optional thing that will improve your character and bring you money.
Sure, but the boost itself will not drive away as many people as you think. It’s merely a fight to convince Blizzard that it’s not a good idea rather than “I quit” kind of thing.
The money Blizzard makes from the boost might be a good thing in the end. Could possibly make our experience better.
Yes, the money they make will more than make up for lost subs especially considering that it won’t be that many subs lost.
I get you but I don’t think there will be that many clueless people honestly.
Again, anectodal evidence, but on private servers, where plenty have leveled by shop and geared from shop were able to press a Shadowbolt and not mess up the dungeon.
You’re overestimating a bit here imo.
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We are heading straight for retail. Blizzard tricked people into giving up on nochanges. They NEVER supported nochanges from the beginning, they PRETENDED to for this very reason. So they could lie and say nochanges didn’t work out and that the players WANT changes.
Yeah… changes to the CHANGES that blizzard made for classic as a “compromise”
Knowing that people would HATE the trash and blizzard could do this. Nochanges is now dead, because of fools that conflate nochanges with blizzards changes and now they are openly CALLING for more changes and this paths the way to microtransactions and retail features.
We are dead in the water and the jig is up. They SAW the future profit from classic if they COULD JUST ONLY GET SOME MICROTRANSACTIONS IN THERE. And Now they have A DOOR. This wont get better. WOTLK will come with even MORE changes and bs, with MORE microtransactions. Probably boasting about how the boosts and such were such a HUGE success and how people bought the COPY feature to continue playing both classic and TBC instead of just having it be free.
So they will go into WOTLK and bring PAID boosts because it’s clearly what the people “want” and down the rabbit hole slippery slope we go.
As if we didn’t see this happening the whole time.
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But the fact you can and if you did it would be the most time-efficient and competitive way to do is wrong. Also, even if you only do it on one account, it is bad enough for the reasons spread throughout this thread.
It will because they won’t be levelling
But it’s still classic content that you’re having to do in order to access tbc content. Surely that isn’t fair, you pay a sub, surely you’re entitled to see all of TBC’s content because you don’t have enough time? sarcasm
Well, neither us can really say for sure but what I do know is I’m 1 of them that will be gone and I’m sure others feel the same. And just so you know, I’m very buisy and don’t get to play as much as I’d like but still don’t expect the game to pander to me and cheapen itself in the process.
Your having a laugh right? So far, the precedent that has been set that as blizzard makes more money, they take away more from the players. Please don’t be a blind shill
that only makes it a good financial decision though, not necessarily a good decision for the quality of the game
very vague and as you say, no imperical evidence. I think this point is void
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Posts like these are just utter drivel. The thought and opinions of 1 person dressed up with an awful title to make it appear as though this persons’ opinion is definitive.
I levelled a few classes in Classic, the ones I wanted to play in Classic. They are not the same classes I’m going to play in TBC and if I can help if using in-bounds means, I will avoid levelling again. Lo and behold, they provide one boost per account. To me, and others like me, this is a great change and none of what you wrote will put any size dent in that being a positive to a lot of people.
Furthermore, I have a few buddies who never had any intention of playing Classic, but were interested in TBC should it ever happen. Now, they can jump in and enrich the TBC community.
For these reasons, akin to your title, this is why the level 58 boost is great for the game.
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They said with their subjective opinion in a definitive manner.
My anecdotal examples = boost is objectively great for the game
logic: -100
hypocrisy: 100
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Find someone who disagrees with what I said about people using titles like yours. I’ll pop back to see if you find someone
I dunno, just look at the people in this thread that have spoken against the boost or those who liked my OP. That shows agreement with my stance which is in opposition to your stance therefore is a disagreement with your stance.
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Given what I said in my original reply, do you acknowledge there are positives to the boost?
If you’d bother to skim through the responses to the thread, some1 else actually bothered to write out a list of pros from their view and explanations which I countered and we’ve been going back in fourth in civil debate. So if you’d read it, you’d know I’ve acknowledged them and provided push back.
You on the other hand have nothing of substance to refute, merely charged statements and anecdotal examples.
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Awesome /10char
I don’t think what I’m about to say is quite what you were getting at, but on a slight detour from the boost discussion for just a moment, I do think that classic was never #nochanges. I mean classic started with layering, 1.12.2 everything such as talents, boss nerfs, loot buffs and AV. These things made classic significantly worse and have nothing to do with #nochanges. Back in the day, when MC and ony were the only raids available to players, they didn’t have all of those conveniences that came in later vanilla patches but in 2019 classic wow, we did ontop of our advanced knowledge and technology which already made it a lot easier.
But, returning back to the relevant topic, yeah I mostly agree with what ur getting at.
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I love my friends from retail that didn’t like vanilla will be able to join me with 1 char in Outland straight away. All those negative points you make are void and this boost doesn’t change anything significantly for all current active players. Its very self entitled to decide how other players should enjoy the game. BTW calling other people clueless and then posting weapon skill is less important in TBC because of expertise… yeah clueless and that for a warrior 
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10/10 logic. Again, like most others that have come into this thread to defend the boost, they follow the formula of ‘‘my anecdotal example = objective truth’’.
It’s important but doesn’t have the same impact like in classic u want things like edgemasters or human racial for the +5 at 300. You still need to farm it obviously, I’m not clueless. In TBC, they turn the weapon skill racials into expertise.
But since you’ve made me realise how it reads, I’ll edit it just for u ;O I’ve had to type a lot of responses, some wording isn’t going to be specific enough sometimes to articulate the point exactly how I meant it, but instead of trying to do a ‘‘gotcha’’ moment, you could just ask for clarification.
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