Maybe stop buffing/supporting your raid members then they will do less dmg, making your retardin dmg look not as bad xD
Does that mean in WOTLK a raid can just stack paladins? No other classes needed?
yes.In woltk u can go 40 paladins with no problems
Putting aside the fact that instanced raids in WotLK are 10m or 25m⌠good luck getting down bosses like Yogg Saron with 0 watchers without affliction warlocks. Or getting down Algalon or LK without a discipline priest shielding the dmg from Black Hole Explosion and Infest, respectively. Or getting down Halion without priests/druids in the Twilight realm that can heal with instant spells while moving.
No problems my butt.
Ppl will bring a Ret pally anyway in 25 men at least.
- Their Aura gives now a dps boost.
- Their JotC gives a crit chance boost.
- CS refreshes ALL judgements on the target.
The last 2 are incredibly important if you also consider that a lot of raids will have a Tankadin who can then use JoW on the boss because the Ret will bring the Crusader one.
I dont know whats worse, argumenting like a narrow minded hormonal teen or compulsively trying to re-educate a random irrelevant person.
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What aura increase everyones DPS?
Only increase melee crit
Rather just have a tankadin judging wisdom on the target and 1 more range DPS.
Improved Sanctity Aura gives a 2% damage increase to party members.
The crit is for all attacks, doesnât specify melees (canât recall if it affected spells too or not tbh). And a single Ret Paladin can sustain all the judgements on that target meaning that you can have Wisdom for mana, Light for minor heal on every1 and Crusader so that Ret does more damage and Prot does more aggro.
I donât see a reason not to have a Ret in raid.
Itâs not spell crit, so itâs just melee crit.
The aura I had forgot, but it also means 1 other melee is not getting WF totem/battleshout.
Iâm not saying you canât raid as ret, you can do that in classic to, Iâm saying they are not as good as other DPS. Same as classic, sure the gap is closer, but there is still a gap between ret and warrior/rogue.
Blood elf ones can dish out a surprisingly high amount of dps from BT onward.
Other than that it becomes a matter of raid comp. With smaller numbers you might consider the value of their supportive role other than the dps bar.
Again, it will be highly subjective to the raid group.
The gap is much smaller than what the retradin brings to the raid in terms of buffs (judgment refreshing, 2% dmg for the group, 3% melee/ranged crit for the raid, 3rd blessing which generally means either more mana for casters or more power for hybrids). The gap in personal DPS is about 10-20% at most by the time you reach SWP, and itâs actually smaller earlier on since rogues are mediocre and retradins that pick up Blacksmith have access to an incredible 2H weapon.
The gap is smaller for sure, but so are the raid size and there are 27specs and you want multiple of some (:
Yeah but the point is, youâd still choose a singular ret over a warrior or rogue, any time of the day. Or at least you would if you actually had knowledge of the expansion and you werenât just throwing random generic facts about âraid sizeâ and â27 specsâ to sound more learned than you are (which you⌠really arenât, when youâre even including such âgemsâ as frost mages and subtlety/assassination rogues in your count⌠like, what the heck?)
The first thing I said was ret is still trash DPS in tbc compare to other specs.
I cleared hyjal in og tbc and bt on pserver.
An arms warrior gives 4% more melee dmg to the whole raid instead of 2% to the party. But sure ret is better cuz itâs a paladin?
And I also skipped over your whole BS about blacksmithing is amazing for RET, itâs gives amazing weapons for all melees FYI.
You donât need to cut out the arms warrior. You can easily run a melee group with:
Enha shaman
Ret Paladin
Arms Warrior
Prot Warrior (or Fury Warrior if you put the Prot in a dedicated tank group, but Iâd advise against it)
Combat Rogue (or Fury Warrior)
Itâs not really a choice between Arms Warrior and Ret paladin. Itâs a choice between Ret paladin and either a Fury Warrior or a Combat Rogue. And, to me, itâs a pretty easy choice to make.
Yeah looks like an easy choice to you, and you canât clear naxx so what do you know đ¤ˇ
Nobody clears naxx alone so you blaming a single player not being able to clear Naxx is just silly. Probably no other arguments leftâŚ
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Your right, there are no more arguments, ret does not do great DPS.
Itâs true, Ret paladins are still a supporting class - if they also would do the best dps on top of being a supporting class they would simply be OP.
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Well, at least I do know about TBC, unlike you. Maybe youâre better off staying in Classic Vanilla instead. But hey, I guess this mix of personal attacks and generic fact spouting about TBC is a good way to hide your own ignorance. Do you plan to get carried into TBC by ppl who know better, too?
Sure pal. You gonna crush karazhan.
You started the personal attacks