Heroic raid is a bit challenging in pugs

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[Lommatik-draenor]

Yea i have to disagree, sorry. Without ofense, have u considered that HC is maybe out of your league if u consider it that hard?

Ive been in few pugs, ofc u probably wont full clear in your first run, but most pugs can do like 8/12

[Psjohly-argent-dawn (Psjohly)]

@Dolva-draenor

I’m not saying heroic raid is impossible, I’m saying many boss fights are ridiculously overtuned for 460 loot. It’s like they designed it just to be frustrating. Either the bosses should be toned down or all bosses should drop 470.

The bosses you call are mechanical heavy. As a healer i am useless on those, they are incredible boring for me actually. You have to do the football and the MC and the volleyball, etc, right. I am just throwing my cooldowns for dps because there is literally nothing to heal on xanesh. It is not a ilvl thing at all. My favorite boss is Maut

[Livía-aerie-peak (Livía)]

@Lommatik-draenor

Ive been in few pugs, ofc u probably wont full clear in your first run, but most pugs can do like 8/12

Yeeh. Half the difficulty with pugs is that it just takes too long to go through all the bosses in one sitting.

[Dolva-draenor]

Do you think Blizzard has data on what percent of pugs are wiping on these bosses?

[Psjohly-argent-dawn (Psjohly)]

Blizz can not determine what is a pug or what is a coordinated/voiced group.

[Daestra-turalyon]

@Dolva-draenor

This is way too hard for 460 ilevel loot. No, I’m not talking about the first 3 bosses. I already know people are going to pretend that it’s easy but it’s BS, this is so ridiculously hard in pug unless the whole raid outgears the content. It’s simply overtuned. I’m talking about fights like Xanesh, Vexiona, Il’gynoth, Raden. It’s insane. It’s like they tuned this content for 470 ilvl. None of this can be pugged in a raid with average 455 ilevel. If you’re going to pretend it’s easy then why is it SO much easier to pug a +11 dungeon and get the same rewards?

Welcome back to forums Vinzora you have been missed the standard of troll has dropped in your absence .

You must be running dry on material

Heroic Vexiona still too hard

The main problem with this fight is that the adds have way too much health, and it’s non-stop waves of them. You barely kill the previous wave before a new one spawn. I mean even 470+ groups are struggling with this fight. It’s absurd.

[Daestra-turalyon]

@Livía-aerie-peak

I smell troll.

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[Hinabelle-draenor]

We clear the raid weekly with half a group full of casuals, some alts barely hitting 450 or even below and a couple 470+ players.

Just because you get into groups where pugs struggle to deal with very basic and quite simple mechanics that doesnt mean the raid is difficult.

You know that people pugged the whole raid first week it came out?

Heroic is at just fine level of difficulty compared to any previous heroic raids i played ever since i started playing in wod. The problem is not with the difficulty. And no, its really not more difficult to kill a heroic boss vs doing a m+11.

[Necrofenix-veknilash (Necrofenix)]

think the problem here is you cant ignore or force brute mechanics in hc like you do in normal.

dam, cant even imagine the mind control part in ilgynoth on a pug

[Zalruk-twisting-nether]

@Psjohly-argent-dawn

If you can not pull them off on 460 then you can not do it either on 485

Not even close to true.

[Zuelía-argent-dawn]

@Zalruk-twisting-nether

Not even close to true.

How could you skip playing football then ?

[Finnbarr-tarren-mill]

My guess is blast boss, ignore 1st football knowing it can’t wipe the raid, continue blasting boss, hope she dies before 2nd football

[Annastisiya-argent-dawn]

@Dolva-draenor

It’s simply overtuned.

Eh? Really?
The raid is not overturned, you have to do mechanics.
Even a non-raider like me was able to kill Xanesh and Ra-den with an Alliance PUG…

[Fähunden-argent-dawn]

have you tried, have you tried -

getting good?

[Finnbarr-tarren-mill]

I doubt it, since he made basically the same thread 3 months ago and has not got a single kill since then

[Nanccy-silvermoon (Nanccy)]

Apparently they didn’t.

I have been trying to join pug groups for HC Vexiona for 2 days on my alt. Wow, just wow. People still couldn’t do the fire phase after so many months. And all groups failed terribly.

[Fähunden-argent-dawn]

is bait, 100%

[Finnbarr-tarren-mill]

@Dolva-draenor

most people had 470+ ilevel and we wiped about 15 times on Il’gynoth. Everyone knew exactly what to do.

If they actually did you would have downed Ilgy fast and most likely would never have even got an MC

Somethings not adding up

[Zalruk-twisting-nether]

@Zuelía-argent-dawn

How could you skip playing football then ?

What does football have to do with getting higher ilvl in WoW?