I am playing with wow since 2007 and never was disappointed as I am now. Blizzard game makers did a fatal mistake with the Grim Tidings quest that’s the reason why I lunch that make this Saurfang/Sylvanas quest line REMAKEABLE. Write your option IF you want to support this cause.
The fatal mistake is there was no warning if you would start to support Saurfang, but there is a warning if you would support Sylvanas.
Of course anyone can say that “read all of the quest”, but anyone can say there is only a dialoge that lead you to support Sylvanas, meanwhile in case of Saurfang it’s a quest.
Just and intermezzo there are many quest givers who had dialoges meaning nothing. So how the hell should we known.
It seems to me the game makers want us to choose Saurfang. And that is funny, coz the game masters said this is an important key decision that we have to choose. But we do not have enough information from Blizzard to decide.
First they should made a warning to Saurfang side also. Missed. Second they should give us a clear two way choosing opportunity, like two quests or two dialoges. Missed.
Third the game masters said they can not do anything because this is a key decision. So if I see it clearly my game is ruined in this part of the game. Furthermore the importance of this questline as it is a key decision should be the reason to give us the option to make it again.
Even if anyone was just forgetful it should be remakeable if the players asks it because it’s a bloody key decision.
I hope that Blizzard game makers will give us this.
Write your option IF you want to support this cause.
Greetings. Totally agree with you.
We are currently trying to make the Devs hear us.
Many voices have joined togheter to save their characters from being spoiled FOREVER just for bad programming/concepting of the choice.
Anyone who had this trouble (or who knows someone who did), should leave a reply & like here, and/or in these three posts:
We must keep the resonance of this matter up.
The louder we are, the likelier we are getting attention from the Blues and (maybe) a fix.
The whole “You made a choice” argument is stupid. You’re tracking a guy down for your Warchief, so when someone says they’ll take you right to him then of course you’re going to lie and say “yeah sure, I’m totally behind him” with the full intention of reporting back to Sylvanas when you locate him, you’ve just been tracking him ffs…
There is no option presented, there is simply a purposefully misleading quest that appears without even making it clear it’s a new quest chain and locks you in.
Without having to research it out of game, there is no way you’re figuring that out with the information presented. It’s an entirely reasonable position that the quest chain will encourage you to make a choice once you’ve found him and not before.
Basically, I’m happy to just abandon the entire story and this point and just grind for gear and socialise, because the entire attraction of this storyline just died a hideous death due to betrayal, not from the characters, but the damn developers. Whoever signed off on this car crash going into live wants holding to account for it.
For Saurfang you had a big yellow ’ ! ‘, which we’re all accustomed to as ‘a quest’, then the ’ ’ for Sylvanas down the bottom. Click the ’ ! ‘, you go on your merry way doing a quest, no warning dialogue, wow as normal till you get to Saurfang who says ‘will you defend me?’ with the one and only option being:
’ Yes, i will’
and no second option for
’ No, I won’t’ .
When you click the ’ I will not betray my Queen, troll’ , you get a big black box screaming at you saying ‘this’ll do this and that to your game no turning back.’
The choice was not equal. The choice was forced based on click habit. Very few read the details and want to get on with whatever asap. Something like that should have either two of things:
1.
! Defend Saurfang and betray Sylvanas
or
! Do not Betray Sylvanas and report to orgimmar Immediately
’ Defend Saurfang?’
or
’ Stay loyal to Sylvanas?’
Both options would have the ‘Whatever you decided CANNOT be altered in the future, choose wisely’ written at the bottom. Once clicked a big box comes up whatever option you Choose as the ‘Are you sure?’ like the warning box when we chose Sylvanas on our Alts because our mains got screwed. Blizzard wanted us to choose Saurfang, simple as, and we caught them. Now they have to prop up their ears and listen. Because folks aren’t happy.
I only knew I was making a meaningful choice when the popup appeared. If I had went the other way first I’d now be supporting (Eew) Saurfang without even realizing.
It’s not even as if it’s an informed decision. The troll is clearly about to lead you off to Surfang, which if you want to serve Sylvanas, you think you’re doing her a favour by not declaring to the troll that you’re blatantly against Surfang…wtf is that?
So it goads you into not clicking the talk button and you naturally take the questline.
Without reading the impact of that action, you have no way of knowing you’re shooting yourself in the foot. Because Blizzard have bolted the gun to your leg at that point.
I didn’t even click on Surfang, I knew that when I couldn’t speak to the ranger that something was up and so looked it up.
I’ve now done this on my main and followed the path I wanted, but even knowing that I’d not done it right the first time, even though I’ve now looked it up, it’s blatantly misleading. It goes out of it’s way to be misleading and frankly, the gigantic dialogue box that pops up when you refuse to betray Sylvanas indicates that they knew that, otherwise, there would be a corresponding dialogue box for the alternative choice.
You should not have to research the impact of quests ffs. If they wanted to force the decision, just build it into a cutscene and remove the illusion of choice.
Got to give credit where it is due to the Devs who did it if it was a deliberate attempt, not good credit though, I can even see the connection to every time we get something from Nathanos. That speech bubble with ‘Stay a while and listen’ always at the bottom we automatically ignore after a while and just click the quest.
The brain sees the same ‘face’ and we react ‘the same way’. Me and the Mrs did it at the exact same quest at the same time and it wasn’t till we got to Saurfang and he asked us to defend him, we both said ‘No, we don’t want to’.
There was no warning, oversight or deliberate attempt - is anyones guess, and yes, I should have read better in the first place or been a swat and look it up. But with so much new stuff to go on adventure on, ‘no time for details, gimmie the action’ takes over. Lacklustre or enjoying the game?, depends who’s opinion and none is wrong. But the lack of equality and clarity provided by the Devs at that moment in the game has caused a nasty bruise.
Even though I chose the right option for me, I would like to add my support to the cause. I think it was slightly underhanded of Blizzard to try and steer people towards Saurfang by not putting the two options on an equal par.
Many NPCs have that speech bubble and it’s of no consequence. They are often ignored by players.
Blizzard your destroying the expansion that could be amazing. For first time after Wrath of The Lich King I was enjoying every second of it but you had to ruin it. IN OUR HOLIDAY! GREAT JOB
This is pretty silly, can’t you just pretend that you supported Sylvanas instead? What matters the most is what you truly love.
Okay, cheesy lines aside, remember that there’s no actual impact on gameplay regarding the choice you make. Don’t treat the quest as a vote. And if you care that much about the story of your character, you should probably read the quests properly (you have to be rushing or blind to miss the speech bubble).
You can say read all of the quest, but others can say why there is no warning when try to get the Grim Tidings quest, that will lead you to side Saurfang.
Mate, let me be clear. This is not a vote, nor just a quest. It’s a key decision.
But Blizzard made a mistake in this willful or not.
There is no warning when you start to support Saurfang. They did not give us an obvious two way choosing option, like “I support Sylvanas” / “I support Saurfang”. Equal --> Blizzard did not give us enough information and warning to we could decide perfectly. So even if some ppl were forgetful, the Devs must help these people, reset the quest and let the players deciede as they know now what will happen when they click on the quest or click on the dialoge.
And do not forget, the GMs said, this is a key decision. That means this questline will effect our game in the future. So, yes. There will be an impact on our gameplay, an impact that Blizzard made, so this shows us the importance of make the Grim Tidings quest REMAKEABLE.
EXACTLY.
For the Horde players, for the game, for the lore - this is a major decission and it can not be treated lightly.
Devs decided to give us “a choice” - nobody forced them to do that. So let it be done properly or not at all.
And this is what you do for every single quest?
You can’t understand we are complaining becuase it was obvious trick from Developers. Can you?
There should be warning for both choose not only one.
And you seriously think there is no impact on game play?
How about to think twice before mocking you’re self?
One of Game-Master told me the following so please, Everyone do it. Maybe this method works.
Game-Master: I know how important the game is to you, its very important to me as well as a gamer, so please do get your voice heard by using the ingame suggestion tool.
@DEVELOPERS. The community demands a change and an answer! Step out and be responsible for what you did!
I stand by your side totally ! I got lucky finding these threads before talking to that troll(guess he filled his troll job heh) with the decision, but I would’ve messed up for sure if it weren’t for checking around here.
I actually pressed the dialogue option and saw the warning sign but still didn’t think it was a choice between Saurfang and Sylvanas. Zekhan says “She not be reportin’ back nothin’… she gonna kill him”, which I interpreted as the dark ranger Lyana taking matters into her own hands, going against Sylvanas will. I thought the quest would be to stop Lyana and inform Sylvanas. It didn’t make sense to me that Sylvanas would want to kill Saurfang if the Alliance was gonna do it anyway.
Actually, even if the Alliance weren’t going to kill him I still don’t think it’s like Sylvanas to try and kill Saurfang. She may be grim and cold at times, but she’s just not that… small… She’s always had honour even if she’d never waste her time talking about it. It really feels like Blizzard wants to get rid of her, with all the things they’re having her do and say, along with Nathanos.
I honestly think it would be better if Saurfang was warcheif and Sylvanas went back to leading the Forsaken. It just doesn’t have to happen like this. They could still be on good terms with one-another. In fact, the whole event could lead them to respect each other more than ever before. And Sylvanas would have more time to work on ensuring the survival of the Forsaken if she wasn’t warcheif. She would be more free, it just suits her better.
I’m pretty sure most horde players like both Saurfang and Sylvanas, so I really don’t get why Blizzard started this conflict to begin with.
I decided to go on and support Saurfang on my troll druid and support Sylvanas on my undead mage but I must say it is such a click-bait from Blizz making only one of the options a quest. I felt cheated both times as well because it was blatantly obvious that supporting Saurfang was the “intended” option.
Why did Blizzard gave us this “illusion of choice” is the real question because it sure looks evil to me right now.
The fact that you can’t go back is evident in all games. Path of Exile does this as well. I do agree however that warnings should be given when choosing any of the two sides and not just one of them. Quests should be given on both paths too. That’s clearly a bug on Blizzard’s part.
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’ for Sylvanas down the bottom. Click the ’ ! ‘, you go on your merry way doing a quest, no warning dialogue, wow as normal till you get to Saurfang who says ‘will you defend me?’ with the one and only option being: