Its time for the Alliance to unite on AV

[Bewarê-frostmane]

@Salad-haomarush

The problem is that at the start of the game the horde have reached SF, cleared the field of strife and reached SH garrison by the time Alliance are even past SH.

@Bewarê-frostmane

@Jagga-gehennas-422020

• The current way the map is played by horde, which is zerg SH until its capped, then defend it with most of your team while a few people zerg whatever alliance offense exists to get them behind the IWB Choke.

• The map itself enabling that meta.

At any point on the map, when one side pushes back the other, is just what happens when first losing in the PvP. So… It goes as it should? You lose ground when you lose in the PvP encounters? Nothing wrong with that. Alliance can do it too, if they’d ever actually win in those encounters.

@Jagga-gehennas-422020

A simple thing such as the horde having a shorter travel time to field of strife, combined with more horde having epic mounts, pvp gear, and pvp spec, while Alliance is only winning in non-participants, means Alliance is both outnumbered and outgeared in that first team-fight.

Except it’s an advantage to have a closer graveyard. Wouldn’t you agree? Which Alliance does have, to that first clash. So it’s the first clash that sets the tone for the rest of the BG.

@Jagga-gehennas-422020

The loss of that team fight starts the downward spiral for alliance until they are trapped behind the IWB choke.

When one side is dominating in the PvP, then yes, that’s what happens. If Alliance had enough ability to push 'em back, then they would reasonably be winning from the first clash, right?

@Bewarê-frostmane

@Bodiesan-earthshaker

I just want to point out that Alliance have won the initial clash in my last 4 AVs. They had 300+ HKs when Horde had aroud 100hk max, but we just contine to defend because we know that most of them will go passive after a while and they always do. I have 100% win rate on my alt so far.

Ok, well that’s just them losing to their lack of willpower in that case.

@Bewarê-frostmane

@Bodiesan-earthshaker

Exactly, this is my point. They don’t want to win slow. It’s not worth it to win slow for alliance but it’s worth it for horde who have 1h25min queue.

It’s not the map that makes them lose. It’s the queue and reward system and the fact that AV is all about defense and long games.

I wouldn’t really say it’s that simple though. It probably goes something like how there are some complaining about the cave distance (which is a non-issue), which destroys the morale, and then you get those who thinks the BG is taking too long and /afk out. So on and so forth.

They’re just doing their own self-fulfilling prophecy in those cases.

Also speaks for itself.

The win rate is, no matter how much you may dislike it, caused by the players themselves.